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These are the standings of Banzuke Surfing Action in Hatsu 2005. The final standings will be posted when the new banzuke is available. Banzuke Surfing: Standings1. Asashosakari*** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 2. Zentoryu*** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 3. Oshirokita** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 4. Mmikasazuma** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 5. Budinishiki** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 6. Andoreasu*** Jk36e Kagemaru 6-1 7. Kintamayama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 8. Azumaryu*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 9. Doitsuyama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 10. furanohana*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 11. Zenjimoto*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 12. Itachi*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 13. Tamanaogijima** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 14. Yubiquitoyama** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 15. Mattjila*** Jk29e Yatsurugiyama 5-2 16. Frinkanohana*** Jk36w Uchi 5-2 17. Svandize*** Jk26e Kototogashi 4-3 18. Yangnomazuma*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 4-3 19. Exil*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 4-3 20. Zeokage*** Jk31e Shikinokawa 4-3 21. Kashunowaka*** Jk34w Kainokuni 4-3 22. Takanorappa*** Jk37w Hokuo 4-3 23. Gusoyama*** Jk38e Takaki 4-3 24. Nishinoshima*** Jk25e Kaneko 3-4 25. aderechelsea*** Jk28w Tsujino 3-4 26. Gernobono*** Jk29w Maeamami 3-4 27. Jonosuke*** Jk34e Tsukahara 3-4 28. Tameiki*** Jk30w Anjoryu 2-5 29. Jakusotsu*** Jk32w Hirai 2-5 30. Jejima*** Jk32e Ishii 1-6 31. Kaihayaiha*** Jk33w Morikawa 1-6 32. Golynohana*** Jk38w Oba 0-1-6 33. sashimaru*** Jk38w Oba 0-1-6 34. Misisko*** Jk40e Maekawa 0-7 <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

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Kagemaru lost his last bout today. That means, our best surfers are those that have been picking Nakatani, and/or Yamatofuji and/or Kagemaru (all on 6-1).

Kagemaru already clinched his 6th win so far. He is still in yusho contention. You can see updated results on the table I have posted a couple of days ago. I will edit them accordingly.

I am too lazy to find out how I can link to another thread. However, Doitsuyama has posted the full Hatsu Banzuke a while ago, all life-saving data included. Your adoptee Tsujino is sweet little sixteen, 175 cm tall, weighs 104 kg, and likes chanko-nabe and bungee jumping (Ok, I made up the last one, but the rest ist true...). On another note: as far as the Jonokuchi dynamics seem to work, even a 3-4 record is an almost guaranteed promotion to a higher rank. This probably has to do with intai in the upper divisions.

I didn't know that there is an interest in a regular update. But since I'm keeping track of the results anyway, why shouldn't I post them? So here we go. Banzuke Surfing: Standings1. Nishinoshima*** Jk25e Kaneko 3-4 2. Svandize*** Jk26e Kototogashi 4-3 3. aderechelsea*** Jk28w Tsujino 3-4 4. Mattjila*** Jk29e Yatsurugiyama 5-2 5. Gernobono*** Jk29w Maeamami 3-4 6. Yangnomazuma*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 4-3 7. Exil*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 4-3 8. Yubiquitoyama** Jk30e Kototakeuchi/Yamatofuji 4-3 / 6-1 9. Tameiki*** Jk30w Anjoryu 2-5 10. Zeokage*** Jk31e Shikinokawa 4-3 11. Jejima*** Jk32e Ishii 1-6 12. Jakusotsu*** Jk32w Hirai 2-5 13. Kaihayaiha*** Jk33w Morikawa 1-6 14. Jonosuke*** Jk34e Tsukahara 3-4 15. Kashunowaka*** Jk34w Kainokuni 4-3 16. Asashosakari*** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 17. Zentoryu*** Jk35w Nakatani 6-1 18. Oshirokita** Jk35w Nakatani/Uchi 6-1 / 5-2 19. Mmikasazuma** Jk35w Nakatani/Yamatofuji 6-1 / 6-1 20. Budinishiki** Jk35w Nakatani/Yamatofuji 6-1 / 6-1 21. Andoreasu*** Jk36e Kagemaru 6-1 22. Frinkanohana*** Jk36w Uchi 5-2 23. Kintamayama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 24. Azumaryu*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 25. Doitsuyama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 26. furanohana*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 27. Zenjimoto*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 28. Itachi*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 6-1 29. Tamanaogijima** Jk37e Yamatofuji/Hokuo 6-1 / 4-3 30. Takanorappa*** Jk37w Hokuo 4-3 31. Gusoyama*** Jk38e Takaki 4-3 32. Golynohana*** Jk38w Oba 0-1-6 33. sashimaru*** Jk38w Oba 0-1-6 34. Misisko*** Jk40e Maekawa 0-7 <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ring-a-ling-ding-dong. This was the bell that closed the first round of Banzuke Surfing. No further picks for this basho will be accepted According to the rules I would not have to accept the picks by Gernobono (he edited his post) and Kaihayaiha (entered two picks at different times). But being the incredibly nice and generous person that I am of course both picks are valid. And here are the standings before the show gets started tomorrow (the asterisks indicate the number of jokers left). In case of a tie the following tie-breakers apply: a) number of jokers left (descending order) b) time of last entry Banzuke Surfing: Standings1. Nishinoshima*** Jk25e Kaneko 2. Svandize*** Jk26e Kototogashi 3. aderechelsea*** Jk28w Tsujino 4. Mattjila*** Jk29e Yatsurugiyama 5. Gernobono*** Jk29w Maeamami 6. Yangnomazuma*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 7. Exil*** Jk30e Kototakeuchi 8. Yubiquitoyama** Jk30e Kototakeuchi/Yamatofuji 9. Tameiki*** Jk30w Anjoryu 10. Zeokage*** Jk31e Shikinokawa 11. Jejima*** Jk32e Ishii 12. Jakusotsu*** Jk32w Hirai 13. Kaihayaiha*** Jk33w Morikawa 14. Jonosuke*** Jk34e Tsukahara 15. Kashunowaka*** Jk34w Kainokuni 16. Asashosakari*** Jk35w Nakatani 17. Zentoryu*** Jk35w Nakatani 18. Oshirokita** Jk35w Nakatani/Uchi 19. Mmikasazuma** Jk35w Nakatani/Yamatofuji 20. Budinishiki** Jk35w Nakatani/Yamatofuji 21. Andoreasu*** Jk36e Kagemaru 22. Frinkanohana*** Jk36w Uchi 23. Kintamayama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 24. Azumaryu*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 25. Doitsuyama*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 26. furanohana*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 27. Zenjimoto*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 28. Itachi*** Jk37e Yamatofuji 29. Tamanaogijima** Jk37e Yamatofuji/Hokuo 30. Takanorappa*** Jk37w Hokuo 31. Gusoyama*** Jk38e Takaki 32. Golynohana*** Jk38w Oba 33. sashimaru*** Jk38w Oba 34. Misisko*** Jk40e Maekawa

Kyujo notices for the rikishi eligible for Banzuke Surfing: Jk28e Wakatakaryu Jk35e Shokiryu Jk40w Hokushinzan You should better not pick one of those. Hopefully Kashunowaka will read this because he is the only one who has picked one of these three so far. Budinishiki

My new entry is as follows: Jk35w Nakatani Joker: Jk37e Yamatofuji Budinishiki

If a rikishi will fall off the banzuke, his last banzuke position will be your position for next basho. ... It is three jokers per career. When the game is over (i.e. some player reaches Sanyaku) a new cycle begins for everybody, new jokers included. ... Yes, this forum is the only place to get information about the game.

I'm afraid to say so, but you're way off in that case. (Ranting...) The highest-ranked shin-deshi is Jk36w Uchi, the highest-ranked rikishi who was in maezumo last basho is Jk35w Nakatani... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, ooooops... (Showing respect...) Actually I could not find a shin-deshi list (I usually look at Bandey's site, but Hatsu shin-deshi weren't listed yet). To explain why I thought that the Jk25 rikishi were shin-deshi would be too weird, especially given the fact that my reasoning was flawed anyway. At least I now know that my picks aren't two mae-zumo hotshots, but two "veteran" losers who started almost a year ago... Well, that's why I wanted to play this game. I hardly have an inkling of what's going on below Juryo. Budinishiki

Yes, they can. No limits in this regard. If this leads to a tie in any of the standings, however, earlier picks will be higher ranked. Budinishiki

From what I could gather the rikishi on Jk25e is the highest-placed shin-deshi in Hatsu 05. I did not check that very carefully due to lack of time, but in general the choice point for new entries will be at or around the highest-placed shin-deshi. Budinishiki

Thanks for the suggestions. I have deleted the original rule 2 ('twas redundant anyway), and instead included the "no-edited post rule". Once again: Deadline is shonichi 6am JST. Budinishiki

I was wondering if, let's say, a rikishi in mid-Sandanme knows much about an opponent prior to a bout. First of all, in lower divisions it happens quite rarely that rikishi will meet the same opponents with only 7 bouts per basho. Moreover, because of larger banzuke movements you would literally have to track the careers, strengths and weaknesses of hundreds of potential opponents. So, once again: What do they know about their opponents when torikumi are set? What do rikishi know? What do oyakatas know? Do heyas have large video archives of every bout from Jonokuchi onward in order to be able to analyze the next aite?

Dear sumo gamers, I know, I know, I am new to this forum, but actually one of the reasons for registering was exactly to ask the following question. In other words, please do not take this as a superficial idea of a newbie. In fact, I am quite serious about it. I have recently developed a concept for a daily sumo game. Large parts of this lenghty mail will give you an overview of the rules as I currently envision them. Before coming to them, I want to point out the primary obstacles for this idea to come true. I have absolutely no clue about server administration and similar things. I could write a program that determines torikumi, and a program that calculates results based on incoming user inputs. However, I am afraid that I could not be present on each day of each basho. Because of these constraints and my lack of knowledge in setting up such a thing, I would be willing to pay someone for a) programming this thingee; b) doing the administrative stuff. So, my basic question is: Do you know anybody who would be interested in taking over these tasks? Moreover, I would be interested in your opinions and suggestions about the rules of the game. I have pasted the most interesting parts of the rules in the remainder of this posting. I am looking forward to reading your comments. Budinishiki ---------------------------------------------------- Rikishi Quartet - Rules of the Game Rikishi Quartet is a daily online sumo guessing game with head-to-head bouts against other online players. At the beginning of each basho a random quartet of four makuuchi rikishi is assigned to each player (due to the randomization it is possible that a player receives a certain rikishi more than once). On each day of the basho players must place their four rikishi in four slots, named #1 to #4. Points in a bout can be gained as follows: 3 points if the rikishi in slot #1 is winning. 1 point if the rikishi in slot #2 is winning. 1 point if the rikishi in slot #3 is losing. 2 points if the rikishi in slot #4 is losing. That is, the maximum score on a given day amounts to 7 points. If two players competing against each other have equal scores tie-breaker rules apply. The twist about this game is that the rikishi placed in slots #1 and #4 will leave one's quartet to join the quartet of next day's opponent. Since this principle works either way, it means that each day a player will receive two new rikishi that were part of the current opponent's quartet on the day before. Next opponents will be displayed in the entry form so you can try to anticipate which rikishi you will receive next day. If a rikishi goes kyujo the rest of his bouts will count as defeats. So if you are lucky to have one of those rikishi in your quartet, you might want to put him into slot #3 so that he stays in your quartet, and guarantees at least one point a day. One of the possible strategies in this game is to keep very successful and very low-performing rikishi in one's quartet, thus assigning them to the slots #2 and #3. If a player is absent on a given day, a modest penalty kicks in. The automation will keep the #2 slot rikishi in his position, but will automatically move the former slot #3 rikishi to slot #4 (i.e. the rikishi will leave the quartet). The two new entries that a player has received from the opponent will be automatically moved to slots #1 and #3, respectively. ----------------------------------------------------------------

Just to comment on the latest discussions: Actually the game was conceptualized in exactly the same way that Asashosakari implies. Rikishi (in banzuke order downwards) are randomly assigned to players. I am not sure if I would follow Zeokage's suggestion. The extra randomization is extra code with little effect. Who would care if, let's say, the top 12 rikishi are 10 times in the pool, whereas the lower rikishi only 9 times? Anyway, if something turns out in how to bring this game to life, I'll keep you updated.

Hmm, let me see. There are about three people who seem to like this concept very much (including myself). Then again, there are about dozens of people who obviously couldn't care less. :-( Darn. What can I take from it? Is there anything else I can do to make this dream of mine come true? Let's suppose I would be trying to set up the game by myself - what would be appropriate languages/platforms to do it? Any advice? Or should I take the lack of overall response as an indication that the sumo games market is saturated now? (Poking the other guy...)

Bingo! That was fast. (Showing respect...) If I were in Riesa this weekend, this would have earned you a beer.

Hello everybody, Let me introduce myself. I am Budinishiki, and I live in Germany. I am an ardent lurker, and I have read this forum for about a year or so. My interests are sumo, films, and games (in variable order). I came to Sumo via the classical Eurosport accidental zapping experience route (at least this is the classical route for most Europeans, I guess). Unfortunately, when I became hooked Akebono was already gone, and Musashimaru and Takanohana were only shadows of their prior selves. When I watched my first basho there was this young upstart named Asashoryu. Back then I thought that he must have been an outsider, and so I started to root for him. This has happened to me with various sports - I root for apparent outsiders just to find out that they are going to dominate soon thereafter, and then I spend the rest of the time justifying myself for picking such an obvious hero... Anyway, thank you to all you fellow sumo fans for being informative, profound, and oftentimes extremely entertaining. I have learnt a lot from you, and if it weren't for you, I would have much more time being interested in films and games only. So long, Budinishiki

Hi Kashunowaka, the avatar is (or better was) me. The photo is 12 years old. Back then I was playing theater, and these were promotional photographs. I have chosen it because the make-up was inspired by the make-up from a famous Japanese film (not an anime). The film itself is an adaptation of a non-Japanese stage theater play. And I happened to play in another stage adaptation of that original play. Whew, sounds complicated. Anybody trying to guess what it was?

Hi Sasanishiki, thanks for the invitation. Unfortunately I will be unable to make it. I have to plan my weekends very much in advance, and I didn't know about the World Championships until last week. Arrgh, it will be quite a long wait until there will be such an opportunity again. BTW: I live in Tuebingen (about 30 km from Stuttgart).

You guessed it, Burainoan. Hakuho would have probably been my pick if I were following sumo only for a couple of months or so. Following my own logic this means that he'll be yokozuna quite soon. :-P