krindel

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  1. I don't think there's a catch-all rule really. In most cases its relatively obvious (unless, like Gurowake mentioned, stuff happens, and it suddenly stops being obvious), but the gist of it is usually relatively simple.

    In my book, anyone is in the yusho race as long as:

    1) He can win the yusho by winning all of his bouts

    or

    2) He can win the yusho if there's a reasonable combination of loses to those with more wins that'll give him a chance if he wins all his bouts AND he can reasonably win all (or enough of) his bouts.

    For example, having a maegashira 12 tied for the lead, gives him the right to be a "yusho candidate" under case (a) above, even if everyone knows that when he gets fed to the lions he'll probably get swallowed whole.

    But for case (b), there's a huge difference between being a maegashira at 8-1 with two or three Yokozuna / Ozeki undefeated (there's no way they are all losing a bout AND you winning everything, that's too much to ask) and between being a Sekiwake at 8-1 with two Yokozuna / Ozeki undefeated and you having an entirely sanyaku-free schedule for the rest of the basho. In the second case you are not a favorite for the Yusho race, but you can't be discounted either...

    What I am trying to say is that miracles do happen, but they happen rarely enough that they cannot be predicted and don't change the general trend. Having said that, for me there's a degree of subjectiveness on judging who is still in it and who isn't. After all, anyone care to discount Hakuho as a Yusho candidate if he falls two wins behind?


  2. I do wonder if any of the neurologists and psychologists offering diagnosis in this thread has ever actually met Kisenosato.

    The guy is an athlete. Like many athletes he has great talent but is not there yet in his head to make that final step. He is facing pressure like no one else has of late. He is still young enough to be able to change that, although there is a possibility that he might never make it to more than he is now (which is a very good Ozeki).

    Unless someone can offer actual medical information (preferably information that is public or semi public knowledge and not confidential), let's not get carried away and invent all sorts of conditions for him, shall we?


  3. The sacked Kumagatani in the interview with the crisis management layer said discharge is premature and indicated he will sue the NSK.

    Sure, why not? After all he didn't do anything wrong, did he? He can even use the same lawyer that's trying to keep him out of jail, probably get a discount while he's at it.

    The one I didn't know and which looks light in comparison is Yamahibiki (ex-Maenoshin) Jan. 1997, absent from the basho without permission

    Wow... That's in a different league than the others :-o. Does anyone remember the circumstances? If this wasn't a "cover excuse" for something, that sounds like a remarkably harsh punishment. Not to mention that I can't imagine that no oyakata has ever skipped a basho without permission before or after...


  4. Since he has been participating in the college competitions, he is a former collegiate amateur sumo athlete and should be portrayed as such (for example for statistics reasons). If Matsuyama has no sumo program though it would be inaccurate to portray him as a product of Matsuyama University.

    My suggestion in that situation would be that he should be entered as "independent collegiate rikishi" or something like that, which would cover future such cases as well.


  5. Any chance maybe of a third Sekiwake spot opening for Tochinoshin? And if not, could he get promoted directly from K1e to Ozeki with a 12 or 13 win Kyushu basho?

    As has been mentioned, 10 wins don't appear to be enough to force an extra slot. 10 + 10 might do it, since then he would be on am Ozeki run.

    As for the other part of the question, 8 wins + 10 wins don't make the start of an Ozeki run for anyone, let alone Tochinoshin... 13 wins next basho would get him to 31, nowhere near enough to force a promotion from Komusubi to Ozeki. A zensho might hypothetically do it, but nothing else.

    Edit: And let's face it, Tochinoshin is good, but nowhere near Ozeki quality yet. 8-9 wins at the jo'i is his normal good performance. Unless he really steps up his game, the Ozeki ranks don't need another Goeido.

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  6. I can't help but wonder if Kise would be in a different place right now if Takanosato hadn't died, or if a more experienced oyakata had taken over Naruto-beya. Former Takanotsuru might be the best guy in the world, I have no idea to be honest, but giving Sumo's top prospect at the time to a guy with very little success as a rikishi and zero oyakata experience was a risky move, which has obviously not paid off.


  7. And its not just debutants. Kyokutenho was so hopeless every time he was in the jo'i, that after a while I think he just started avoiding it by NOT posting large KK, even if he had the chance.

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  8. Chiyomaru pulling out of the tournament for day 9.

    http://www.sumo.or.jp/en/honbasho/main/absence

    When was the last basho in which all of the Kokonoe sekitori fought the full 15 days? Does such a basho even exist?

    (although I have to admit its Chiyomaru's first kyujo as a sekitori)

    Edit: To answer my own question, seems like they actually manage to have one basho a year or so with no-one breaking something. Last one was in March.

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  9. All Kisenosato jokes aside, that looks like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for him. Well, twice-in-a-lifetime if you count the Kyokutenho Yusho...

    No Hakuho, no Harumafuji (which, combined with the current banzuke makeup also limits quite a lot Terunofuji's Isegahama scheduling advantage) and Kakuryu already a win down. He really should set his sights on winning that one.

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  10. The pervert The suspect used all kind of things to beat the tsukebito, chanko tools as well: with a wooden pestle pole (they are usually light) at the knee and elbow joints. With the bat he was aiming mainly for the lower half so that the injuries wouldn't be obvious. With the hammer he was aiming also at the ankles. The beating apparently was his daily practice and he had the bat routinely ready in the car.

    I am sorry, but this sort of abuse has absolutely nothing to do with even the harshest heya training methods (especially since the victim was an employee and not a rikishi). Its sadistic abuse, plain and simple, and Mr Yamamura belongs in jail. It has nothing to do with sumo whatsoever (apart from their obvious guilt for employing the guy in the first place and letting him get away with something like that for who knows how long).

    I know I am getting dangerously close to ranting with my reaction to this whole business, but to be honest, I don't really give a fig about how this might affect the PR of sumo at the moment, I am just very angry that people who emphasize "dignity" have kept this sorry excuse for a human being around for that long.

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  11. A fond goodbye for the man. He was not one of the all-time greats, but still managed to have the best career he could have (and a more than solid one at that), and earned a lot of respect from everyone. He'll be missed for the genuine love for sumo that he represented, and I certainly hope that Nishiiwa-oyakata will keep that love for the sport and pass it along.


  12. Does this have anything to do with this thread and this thread involving Miyagino-beya? Seems an odd coincidence...

    Was going to ask exactly the same thing.

    A rare reason, usually problems with the owner family causes heya to move.

    Somehow it seems far more likely that the building is somehow connected to the soon-to-be-ex Kumagatani-oyakata or his father-in-law's estate than the possibility that Hak is suddenly too intense for it after training there for so many years.

    Edit: Not to mention this quote from the old thread about the heya change:

    What about the heya building itself? It belongs to the family of the old-old Oyakata, and for now the new Oyakata will be renting it. "There is talk of moving..," he said cryptically.

    A couple of papers came right out and stated that ex-Kumagatani taking back the stable seals the deal for Hakuho to take over in 12 years, either as Miyagino-beya or Hakuho-beya - going all the way to speculate about a sort of "Hakuho-dojo" arrangement in the meantime where Hakuho will secure the new location for Miyagino-beya to move to.

  13. If anything, the whole career of Kanechika post-retirement shows the inherent weakness of the kabu system and the unwillingness of the Kyokai to take action against people abusing it and the "perks" it offers.

    A guy who has proven to be both an idiot and a bully, with a very mediocre career in sumo and hardly anyone's respect, conspires with the widow of a former oyakata and gets handed the number one prospect of sumo in a silver platter. And it turns out, noone in the Kyokai is able or willing to do anything about it to protect their sport and their investment. The least they could have done, in my mind, is allow (or even help) Chikubayama to take his rikishi and leave.

    Then, the same guy makes what was probably at the time the biggest PR mess in the history of the sport, and they decide to finally take action and send him to the sidelines, but they STILL keep him around, only to have him come haunt they minds of the NSK PR people once again 5 years later...

    If they don't finally sent him to the ramen shop he should have been manning from when he retired, they fully deserve the next mess they get.

    Edit: Also found this quote in the "other" thread:

    Former juryo Kanechika [...] signed a statement, which stipulated pointedly that any future misdeed by him would lead to summary discharge.

    Seems to suggest he has already signed his own dismissal 5 years ago...

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  14. Miyagino-oyakata apologizes "In regard to have caused such troubles I have no words, it is really inexcusable."

    "I didn't think he was a person who does such things."

    Given their past history, it probably means something along the lines of "I knew exactly what kind of person he was, noone has had more trouble with him than me over the last 20 years, but I fought really hard to get my stable back and part of the deal was getting saddled with him"...

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