krindel

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  1. krindel

    Happy birthday Jakusotsu!

    A very happy birthday to you! (Birthday!)
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    Kokonoe Kanreki dohyo-iri

    I predict that Isegahama will pick ex-Harumafuji & Terunofuji. I am not sure which of the two implied predictions here is the riskier one, the one where Terunofuji makes it to Yokozuna or the one where Harumafuji stays with the Kyokai when he retires ;)
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    Hi from Indonesia!

    A very warm welcome to you (Welcome...)
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    Another most beautiful thing in the world

    Sincerest congrats to you! (Yusho winner...) And certainly hope you have all the fun in the world raising the next generation of sumo fans
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    Kokonoe Kanreki dohyo-iri

    Is this to be considered a special honor to him, or rather a sign of Kokonoe's precarious status among his peers? I can't imagine that Hakkaku for example would refuse to participate if asked. I suspect that the choice has more to do with the fact that after Taiho (who was attended by Kitanoumi and Kokonoe) and Kitanoumi (who was attended by Kokonoe and Takanohana), there is a sharp decline in the "weight" of the remaining ex-Yokozuna. There are only 5 Yokozuna remaining in the NSK after Kokonoe (Hakkaku, Shibatayama, Isegahama, Takanohana and Musashigawa) and there's a VERY good chance that there won't be any new ex-Yokozuna joining the Kyokai in the immediate future (given that all current ones are foreigners). My impression is that the choice of using the two highest ranked active Yokozuna (who btw have no affiliation whatsoever with Kokonoe) is meant to change the format of future such ceremonies to use active rikishi. Of course, that's just my conjecture, i could always be dead wrong. I guess we'll have to wait until 2020 and see what happens when its ex-Asahifuji's turn :-)
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    Kokonoe Kanreki dohyo-iri

    That was the first time that two active Yokozuna were used as attendants. On most previous occasions oyakata who were former Yokozuna were used. AFAIK active rikishi have only been preferred three times, once by Mienoumi who used the two active former Ozeki from his own heya as attendants (however he did an "unofficial" early kanreki dohyo-iri) and twice a long time ago, in two cases when there was one active Yokozuna and one oyakata attending.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Natsu 2015

    To put it another way, if two rikishi have the same result for a basho, the one who was ranked higher will be ranked higher in the next basho as well. Well, basically yes... but please check what happened at the Sekiwake ranks on the Nagoya 2014 banzuke (sorry, can't hyperlink when using smartphone) So remember: with the NSK it is NSN* *= Never Say Never ;-) Of course I remember that one, but refusing to flip two Sekiwake when the West one has a better result is not the same as flipping two rikishi with the same result... I don't think they'd do that even for Goeido ;-)
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Natsu 2015

    Wow... That was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. I am not sure if its even possible to make a direct comparison of the promotion systems back then. If you notice, he didn't even get promoted to Sekiwake, despite one of the incumbent Sekiwake scoring a 0-0-11 (not sure if there was some sort of rank protection back then?)
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Natsu 2015

    To put it another way, if two rikishi have the same result for a basho, the one who was ranked higher will be ranked higher in the next basho as well.
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    Happy birthday Golynohana!

    A very happy birthday to you ! (Birthday!)
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Natsu 2015

    For what little its worth, your query doesn't show Goeido's first lucky break in 2012, when he stayed at Sekiwake with a 7-7-1. But since there is such an abundance of Sanyaku candidates this time around, I agree that that situation has little bearing here.
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    Dewanosato retires

    Not sure what you mean? According to the database he missed a whole tournament early on and withdrew from one in 1988 and another in 2008.
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    Persistence Watch - 2015 edition

    Wow... Simply wow! The last two dai-persisters winning in the same basho? That's even more unexpected than Terunofuji's Yusho :-). My sincere congrats to both guys!
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    Dewanosato retires

    Anyone know if he's sticking around in some capacity? I can't imagine them kicking out a guy who's been 30 years on the dohyo...
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    I am very happy to see any new guy taking the Yusho, renewal can only be good for sumo. My concern though has nothing to do with 24 in 2 or 33 in 3 or whatever. My concern has to do with the fact that Terunofuji has a total of two double digit basho in his very short Makuuchi career. Kudos to him for all he has accomplished, and I'll be happy to see him at Ozeki, but I still think there's a danger of the promotion proving premature. Still, like I said before, in a field of yusho-less Ozeki, a Yusho is extremely hard to ignore, so they felt they had no choice. Anyway, barring major surprises, the deed is done, heartfelt congrats to the youngster, and I certainly hope Terunofuji proves to be a strong Ozeki and all my speculative concern proves completely unfounded.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    I agree completely that it seems to me too early to promote Terunofuji (lets not forget he only has two sanyaku basho and was good but not stunningly impressive before that). Has there ever been an Ozeki who only spent two basho in the named ranks? Not to mention that an 8-7 from M2 is not exactly a worthy start to an Ozeki run. I also agree that it makes even less sense to say "We'll promote him if he wins and Hakuho loses, but not if he wins and then goes through Hakuho as well". Hanging the promotion on the Yusho though makes absolute sense. The problem with the constantly decreasing standards for Ozeki-hood lately is that if he were to get a Yusho, he'll be the first Ozeki candidate with one in ages (and of course, none of the current Ozeki have one either). So he'll have 33 wins in the jo'i in 3 basho, and a Yusho. I can see how based on the criteria of the last few Ozeki promotions they might feel obligated to promote him. Terunofuji definitely looks like the real deal, and he's been able to capitalize superbly on his Isegahama schedule and the many absences in the jo'i the last couple of basho. I don't find anything wrong with that, you fight the fights that are in front of you and are judged by those. I still find that given his inexperience, it would be premature to promote him with 33 wins starting from M2, Yusho or no Yusho. Of course, that's just me, and I am sure Kitanoumi has no intention of asking me at all. And the comment Kintamayama mentioned sets some very clear-cut conditions, so I guess their mind is made up on this. Anyway, I for one, feel that the most probable scenario remains that he'll end up losing in a playoff with Hakuho, and the NSK will make him get 9 wins next basho to promote him.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Natsu 2015

    Have no idea about Chiyootori's chances, but Goeido was suspended in 2010, not injured. I am sure that the "punishment factor" played a little part in his case.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    Straight three-round single KO bracket. Out of curiosity, would the bracket in this situation be seeded by rank? Or some sort of draw?
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    This is sumo however. The standard by which people are judged is not size, but rank. Goeido is the "bigger" one, bigger by 25 ranks. In a normal situation they indeed wouldn't be allowed to compete against each other, since someone of Kaisei's rank would need to "earn" the right to fight someone of Goeido's rank, not the other way around... Having said that, I need to clarify that I don't personally find anything reprehensible about that sort of henka.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    Now all the semi-realistic hope left (barring an Ikioi or Kaisei miracle) is to hope that Kise or Harumafuji will topple Hakuho even without a real motive, and that Terunofuji will manage to win two (I assume he'll be facing the Sakaigawa duo?) to force a playoff. Even then, he'll have to beat Hakuho for the second time in two tournaments, which goes without saying is less than easy. Overall, I have to admit that its shaping up to be a disappointment to watch the Yusho race dwindle (again) to a very clear Hakuho advantage with two days to spare, even when he did everything he could to mess things up right from the start.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    Another tidbit: Hakuho has never won a Yusho that includes a fusen win. Before this basho he has had four fusen wins in Makuuchi, and the results were: - a playoff loss against Asashoryu - a Jun-yusho behind Tochiazuma (yes, in THAT tournament) - a 9-6 from Komusubi - an 8-7 from M3 In fact, as I think it was mentioned long ago in a thread, a Yusho including a fusen win is far from common, and from what I found only 23 Yusho winners have had one, the last one being Asashoryu in Nagoya 2007. Of course its not as rare as a Yusho containing a fusen LOSS, which has only happened twice...
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    If your question was if it is a record for someone in Makuuchi to have lost 43 times to someone else, then the answer seems to be "Yes". Query Edit: The overall 43-4 seems to also be the biggest win differential (39) ever.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    It has been three years since the yusho last fell under 13 wins (and 5 more years before that). Seems like there's an actual chance of this happening this time around, if Kisenosato, Kotoshogiku or Harumafuji can best Hakuho.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    Endo managed those 4 wins after all, didn't he? I have to admit to being very surprised that he did. Even if some people went easy on him (at least in the sense of not going for the kill taking advantage on his weak knee), its still impressive. Just hope he didn't do even more damage to it, of course. Cause if he did, 4 wins are not worth the price.
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    Natsu 2015 Basho Talk (spoiler alert!)

    Tell me, what's wrong with Takayasu (7-1) vs. Kyokushuho (7-1) and Takayasu (7-2) vs. Amuru (7-2)? Kaisei(7-1) vs. Amuru (6-2) also is perfectly acceptable at the time of scheduling.I give you Kaisei-Takanoiwa, that one is a bit puzzling as Kaisei already was kachi-koshi and Takanoiwa only 5-4 at the time of scheduling. He could have faced Gagamaru (but just 3-6) or Aoiyama (scheduled against Kotoshogiku, probably they didn't want to break the sanyaku scheduling, and he faces Aoiyama tomorrow anyway). In fact, no less than four of Kaisei's past opponents already are kachi-koshi as well which is everybody below Sekiwake except same-heya Kyokushuho. So it's just not easy I guess. Edit: I guess you aren't realizing that torikumi are set up and published *before* the bouts of the day. It's just unfair from you to characterize Kaisei as "8-1 yusho leader" as he was 7-1. First of all, I was not attacking the torikumi makers, I was asking for an explanation on a subject I know little about, so thank you for the clarification. I guess it does make sense in some way. I know its a heck of a lot harder than it seems to make proper torikumi decisions, and I do appreciate an insight to their thought process. Incidentally I do realize that the torikumi are set up before the bouts of the day, the 7-2 and 8-1 scores I was mentioning referred to the choice of their last oponent. So Kaisei was 8-1 (and co-yusho leader) when he was paired with Takanoiwa, and Takayasu who was 7-2 when paired with Amuru (although I admit that I hadn't noticed Amuru was also 7-2 at the time). I guess what I am trying to convey is that in my (admittedly unpracticed) eye Kaisei has been allowed to get to double digit wins with what seems like a relatively light schedule. Not to mention that while Takayasu is going all the way up to a desperate Ozeki for tomorrow, Kaisei is going against Aoiyama. But, as you say, I am sure there are good reasons behind all that.