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    Natsu basho 2019 discussions [SPOILERS]

    Kintamayama's discussion is illuminating. It must have been very tempting for Tochinoshin to have employed a henka in his senshuraku bout last basho against Takakeisho, when he was injured and his ozeki status was on the line, yet he refrained from doing so. Prior to injuring his knee in Nagoya in 2013, Tochinoshin often used a henka. Since his return he has seldom done so. He truly is a changed wrestler and well deserving of the repromotion he clinched yesterday.
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    Natsu basho 2019 discussions [SPOILERS]

    There have been many comments on the judging, but most of them have missed the obvious points. 1. The judges are biased. I'm not saying they are trying to make bad calls or there is any conspiracy going on. I'm merely pointing out that they are in the position of judging rikishi from their own heya. This is an active bias. There is no other sport I know of where, at the professional level, the judges are also managers/coaches/owners of the players they are judging. 2. The judges aren't professional judges. They are professional heya owners and former wrestlers. They have not dedicated years of their life to the art and/or science of judging. This is just another duty for them. Does anyone honestly think that being a coach and former player is the best qualification to be a judge? 3. Most of the mistakes the judges made aren't on video replays, but are because they don't call for a mono-ii after a very close match. It's hard to know why this occurs. I'm guessing poor positioning, poor eyesight, and poor judgment each play a role. 4. It is NOT a problem to not have the judges review the video tape. This is what happens in baseball: if a close play is challenged the umpire's call is reviewed by people looking at video replays in an office in New York. They look at the replays. They can only overrule the umpire's call if the video review is conclusive that the call was wrong. In many cases it is not conclusive: the play is too close or the angles available are not conclusive. In this case the original call stands. The same rule should be in effect in sumo. In any case, the sumo judging system is antiquated, and this won't be the last time five ill-trained, unprofessional, and biased judges make a mistake. Let's just hope it's the last one that determines a yusho.
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    Natsu basho 2019 discussions [SPOILERS]

    As to the mono-ii and reversal of the gyoji's decision of the Tochinoshin-Asanoyama match, I think sumo would benefit by looking at the larger issue involved in the judging. For what it's worth, I see no evidence that Tochinoshin touched out - no heel print, no sand displaced or kicked up - so how a gyoji's decision is reversed by inconclusive evidence seems justifiably criticized. But that decision, good, bad, or ugly, is now history. The more useful question is how can we prevent getting in this situation again. The "judges" of course, aren't judges in any accepted western or sports sense. Do you know any other sport where the judges are people with no training at judging, no qualifications as to eyesight (and it's pretty clear some of them don't see that well) or judgment, and no objectivity, but are instead judges based only on the fact that they formerly were players. Does anyone want Maradona refereeing a World Cup game? Or any other former great player at any sport being a judge or referee based on his being a great (or merely good) player? And yes, those are rhetorical questions, because the clear answer is "no". Moreover, not only aren't the sumo judges qualified in any objective sense, they aren't even objective - they all have members of their heya wrestling. By definition you couldn't be in a more biased position. So the whole system is out of whack - the judges are middle aged men who have no business judging the bouts and, as we've seen time and time again, aren't especially good at it. You don't see former rikishi as gyoji. Let's have sumo move into the 21st century and actually use trained, qualified judges. I'm not holding my breath on this one, of course. Maybe we'll be lucky and it will be another 50 years before they screw up another key match. But I'd bet under the current system they'll make another mistake in makuuchi next basho. And the ones after that, until the system itself is improved.
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    Natsu basho 2019 discussions [SPOILERS]

    I usually find Gurowake's comments well=reasoned and incisive, but couldn't disagree with him more on his take on yesterday's debacle more. While it's true that Tochinoshin hasn't looked like an Ozeki in his last three bouts - although he certainly did in his first eight wins - that's completely irrelevent to whether he will or should become an Ozeki based on this basho. If he wins 10 matches he gets automatically repromoted - how he looks has nothing to do with it. As for his "gut feeling" that Tochinoshin won't be able to sustain Ozekihood again for 9 basho (anyone want to bet that Goeido will make another 10? Takakeishi? Takayasu?) that's fine. But if it doesn't happen it actually does mean he's wrong. In fact, it's the very definition that he's wrong. It's fine to note that it's just one of a range of possibilities, but that's true of any prediction. And if someone makes a prediction that doesn't pan out, they were wrong.
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    21 Natsu 19, The Results

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    Happy Birthday Randomitsuki

    Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Rando!
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    Haru 2019 SB Masters Results

    Five yusho for Haidouzo is simply astounding. Pandaazuma tops Randomitsuki's venerable most points in a basho record only to hold it for a mere one basho and have Haidouzo set an astonishing new record. As for Norizo, he wins three basho - three! - and finishes seventh for the basho in total points. I can't image that's ever happened before. Congratulations for all the top finishers who saw through the fog of the dohyo and made such great predictions.
  8. Congratulations on the great job you did in Toto. 

    1. Atenzan


      Thank you very much! It's only my second or third basho playing it, so it's extremely encouraging. 

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    Haru Basho 2019 Discussion [SPOILERS]

    It's interesting that Ichinojo will only get one prize despite being the jun yusho winner, and most likely with a very impressive 14-1 record. It's been a long time since someone has finished 14-1 and not won the yusho or at least been in a playoff for it. It's also interesting that the winner of the Aoiyama - Tomokaze bout gets a prize, while the loser gets bumpkiss. Finally, it's additionally interesting that five rikishi need to win today to avoid (likely) divisional demotion (Chiyoshoma, Daishoho, Terutruyoshi, Kotoeko, and Ishiura) and another rank demotion (Tochinoshin - and, as I believe Gurowake has pointed out, it's possible a win by Mitakeumi might save his rank as well). There will also be 8 rikishi fighting for their kk today. So there is a lot at stake in most of the senshuraku "undercard" matches.
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    Haru Basho 2019 Discussion [SPOILERS]

    Just another fortnight (plus one day) at the office for Hakuho. And he'll top it off extending his own yusho and zensho yusho record. I love it when people post here about how Hakuho will never win another zensho yusho, or how he is declining and almost finished. As if! Still, I suppose if is posted long enough some day it will come true. Just as decline will come for all of us. But mark my words, we ALL will miss him when he's gone. And we will never see another dai yokozuna as great as him. Maybe there will be one in the next century. But for people born in the year 2100, don't go holding your breath....
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    21 Har Har 19, The Results

    1 A2 B3 A4 A5 B6 B7 A8 X9 A10 A11 B12 A13 B14 A15 B16 X17 B18 B19 B20 A21 B
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    Hatsu 2019 Sansho

    The condition for each rikishi is that they win on the final day. Winning the yusho (or a playoff) is never a condition.
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    Takekaze Retires

    For years I couldn't really tell Takekaze and Yoshikaze apart. In the last half dozen years their careers have diverged, with Yoshikaze having a late renaissance and spending much of the time in the sanyaku and jo'i. I can't say I'll miss Takekaze, as his style of fighting was replete with henka and pull-downs, although I admire him both for staying competitive for so long and knowing when to retire.
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    Mukade Beya (Formerly STI) Sumo Gaming Banter Thread

    I've had my best start in several years in this basho. After nakabi, in the head-to-head games I'm 7-1 in SG, 6-2 in Toto (where I'm kadoban), and 5-3 in Bench. I'm 5-3 in ISP and Quad. I'm also 5-3 and in the top 10 in TTT and have 59 points for 6th place in Odd. A number of off days in a row has me tied for 37th place in Tip-Spiel. And I finished in the top 10 (along with 19 other people) in Chain, good for .05 of a point. In the pre-basho games, I'm in the top ten in Roto (6), Bingo (3), SalaryCap (7), and Upside Down (9). I'm nowhere near the top 10 in Oracle, but with my low bet on Kisenosato I may end up there. This is grind out time in the dailies, and wait and watch in the pre-games. Ganbarimasu!
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    Kisenosato intai

    Kisenosato made juryo when he was still 17, makuuchi when he was 18 (from which he was never demoted), and sanyaku days after turning 20 (the announcement coming when he was still a teenager). He famously ended Hakuho's 63 match winning streak in 2010. Then his career stalled for a bit. He got pipped both for ozeki promotion and winning a yusho by Kotoshogiku, a rikishi most people (myself included) didn't think was as talented. I was a fan of "the Kid", but by the middle part of this decade I doubted he would ever win promotion to yokozuna. Of course I was wrong, and Kisenosato won consecutive yusho, and after the first was promoted to yokozuna. Ironically, it was in winning the second yusho that he sustained the injury which lead to his intai today. It's been an ugly ending for a checkered career with many high points. I hope he has a long and successful career as an oyakata.
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    Hatsu Basho 2019 Discussion [SPOILERS]

    You make a good point, Nantonoyama. What I did not articulate precisely enough is that 8-7 wouldn't be a bad record for Kisenosato, it would be a good one. And it wouldn't be a one off either - every basho would be wondering how bad Kisenosato would be, not how good.
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    Games Talk Hatsu 2019

    Betting against Hakuho is still almost always chasing fool's gold. We'll never see another rikishi like him.
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    Hatsu Basho 2019 Discussion [SPOILERS]

    Whatever happened to yokozuna pride? How can Kisenosato look retired yokozuna in the face? I feel badly for him, but dragging out this embarrassment is now his own doing. Over the ten previous basho he was 23-30-97. Now he can add two more losses to that total, to extend his own record of consecutive losses by a yokozuna. His injury hasn't healed, his power has diminished, and his form is bad. If sumo were a boxing match Kisenosato's performance would be ended by a TKO. Some people have written that if only Kisenosato can only muster up an 8-7 finish he can continue. Since when is 8-7 an acceptable yokozuna performance? (Yes, I know there's been one in the past, but it wasn't following 23-30 over the previous 10 basho.) Can anyone honestly say they look forward to seeing Kisenosato compete at this point? It's unfortunate he was injuried - and didn't have it treated properly. It's only a tragedy, however, because of how he refused to acknowledge in a timely manner what we all can see.
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    Hakuho in 2019 - Hak Attack Part 15

    3 yusho, 1 zensho, 5 basho entered
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    Mukade Beya (Formerly STI) Sumo Gaming Banter Thread

    Registration for both Sumo Game and Bench Sumo is now open for Hatsu 2019!
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    21 Hatsu 19, The Results

    1 A 2 B 3 B 4 A 5 B 6 A 7 A 8 A 9 B 10 A 11 B 12 A 13 A 14 A 15 A 16 B 17 A 18 A 19 A 20 B 21 B
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    Preparations of the Y/O Hatsu 2019

    Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me eight times....No surgery, no recovery, no likelihood Kisenosato is ever going to wrestle well again.
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    Metasumo 2019

    1-5: Pandaazuma (the once, present, and future dai yokozuna) 6-10: Gurowake (Still finished in the top 10 despite having an off year) 11-20: Andonishiki (Unlikely to have two digits next to his finishing place in '19) 21-40: Achiyama (The second American on my list seems to have an Angel watching over him) 41-80: Jakusotsu (One of the legion of talented German players) 81-120: McBugger (He comes from a land down under, but his sumo gaming skills are anything but) 121-200: KikoCookie (My third - and favorite - American! Now get back to your university studies....) 201+: Hana-Ichi (I always enjoy her comments in Bench)
  24. The Link for Day 15 was mislabeled "Day 14" by Achiyama. It's three entries above mine.
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    Kyushu Basho 2018 Discussion [SPOILERS]

    Neither Taka looked very good in that bout. Given their respective senshuraku aite, it's highly likely there will be a playoff. I'd expect Takayasu to be the favourite and to come away with his first yusho.