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including makushita division (i find the inclusion of it rather interesting as you find there rikishi worthy to mention) the results are 82 wins and 70 losses in 152 first time meeting.

no grain of salt here ... i appreciated all of the translations and enjoyed the fact that i can understand more things of the whole naadam. now really .... i will be there once in my life. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

some day ..... some day .....

you understand you are killing me here. I love Mongolian wresting .... it's official now. it's like wrestling/sumo/judo and WWE in one huge pile of awesomeness. thanks a lot for the translation of the honours they announce. Priceless. (Applauding...)

2012.07 kyokutenho right after his yusho of course .... (Sigh...) well .... that was time worth spent doing meaningless queries. (Laughing...)

cannot remember the last time i saw a rikishi being 0-11 and not going kyujo .... nothing is working for Daido. EDIT: i tried to do a query and this is what i found but i am not good at these queries ... so take the results with a pinch of salt Query the real result was in 1947 ....by Nayoroiwa. i cannot exclude Takanotsuru's 0-10-fusenpai-kyujo or Konishiki's weird basho EDIT 2: Ok .. someone help me out. I did a query for 12 losses and got Kakizoe in 2007 who went 0-11-fusenpai. EDIT 3: and these guys are really persistent too ....

i am pretty sure Takanoyama was dreaming about Osunaarashi's extended arms after the tachi-ai all night long. I had seen this bout in my head happening beforehand but i just pictured it like "yank-twist-get from behind-yori". well ..... (and this was probably my only correct prediction in Seki-toto (Laughing...) (In jonokuchi...))

it looked like Hakuho thought it was a matta. That's why he gave the look afterwards. and he is not doing great in general. But he barely trained and he still wins against everyone, Ozekis included. (and my analysis may have been premature since i just watched this once in the stream but the result of this analysis still stands though. He is really good and what he does ... :-P)

so Hakuho proved that he can win a bout against an Ozeki even when he stops midway the tachi-ai due to the matta that was never called. if anyone was not convinced by now ... he is really good at what he does.

for the record i only meant we could include rikishi that missed a whole basho (0-0-7) or had only one fusen-pai on day 1 and were absent for the rest of the basho (0-1-6) in general. If you never get in the dohyo in a basho i don't consider it a real MK. but i guess i can keep my own stats for this situations. B-)

he meant that Haru will possibly go kyujo due to his record and avoid a mk or a 8-7. so since he is in the torikumi ..... a fusensho win for Kotooshu. EDIT: Doitsuyama already answered as i see.

well ... Sasanoyama went MK after all .... (Sigh...) (In jonokuchi...) but i still believe that rikishi that only had absences and never a fighting MK they should be in this list. At least with a "*" next to their name...

i agree with you but Endo is not overweight like Ichihara or under-sized like Tosayutaka. The over-hype around him seems more appropriate than for these guys. And mind you ... i am one of the biggest "Gorilla" fans around here but i am not living a fantasy about his prospects in high Makuuchi. (i do that only for Kyokushuho and i keep getting disappointed (Sigh...))

not to mention that his skill level is not for the meat-grinder. He is big and from Georgia (naturally strong like many Caucasians) .... that's what he offers. Don't ask for more ... he cannot provide. btw ... i consider Gagamaru to be an overachiever. I would never bet that he would be in Makuuchi for ~20 basho.

since this is brought up again ... i also think Endo is quite impressive. I rate him quite high in my personal "prospect list". He is so technically solid with what he does this far that i am just expecting to see more stuff from him in order to see his limits. High Juryo or low Makushita will be a nice test but a visit to the meat-grinder will tell the best parts (or rather the important parts) of his story. He has the body and the right attitude for sumo. I hope he is the real deal.

and this was Kintamayama's 18000th post on this forum (Holiday feeling...) (Punk rocker...) (i notice stuff like this ... sorry .... thanks Moti for all your contribution here)

best mono-ii commentary ... EVER. thank you for the laughs you provided here.

thank you for reminding people the serious details of that era and putting the whole mediocrity talk in historical perspective. it was indeed but i still feel "robbed" as a Shuho fan by the result. He should have beaten Daikiho after all he did before extending his hand to cut the impact of his fall. With loses like that i will start thinking he will not become Yokozuna any time soon :-P .

since this topic came up, i would like to ask if there are any videos of the recent naadam online. I think i am developing a serious interest in mongolian wresting. i think it was ~9 years ago that i decided i will go to Mongolia during a naadam to watch it, when i do my road trip to Northern Asia, but i was either lazy or i just did other things or i just spent my money on different kind of trips. The goal still remains though and i was thinking of doing a "mongolia/northern china/southern russia and then Japan" trip while trying to be in Mongolia in July and then Japan by September for the Aki basho. If i won't do it in the next 2-3 years please remind me not to bother you again with my unfulfilled goals (Laughing...)

i really don't see a point in all this comparisons. a guy wins 5 yusho. 3 of them zensho. He IS a rikishi worthy of being called a yokozuna. does anyone really want to see him retire because he is a yokozuna that has mediocre records? if he retires the top half of the banzuke will lose one of it's best talents. I wouldn't want to see bashos with no Harumafuji appearances. so yeah ... let him be a "mediocre" yokozuna for all he wants if the alternative is to talk about Kise's (or anyone's that ever won anything) tsunatori runs. let's be wowed in the presence of our bunch of underachieving Ozekis (with all and all 1 yusho between the 4 of them) and let's cry out for the mediocrity of our yokozuna that is not up to our standards. Even though he has done already what all of his opponents (barring one of course) couldn't achieve even as a team. get over the fact that he is called "yokozuna" and try to think of him as a dai-ozeki. And then demote everyone else to "dai-sekiwake" or lower. and last but not least .... HE IS NOT OCCUPYING A POSITION IN THE BANZUKE THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN GET TO IF THEY CAN. if such a mediocre yokozuna is active now i don't see anyone taking advantage of the fact that they have to face him every basho. just relax and enjoy what he is offering in the ring no matter how is he called. Before every bout the yobidashi and the gyoji are announcing him as "Harumafuji" .... not "Yokozuna Harumafuji". All the rest of the rikishi have to do is beat this "Harumafuji" guy ... but they cannot do it constantly, and when he is healthy they are just dreaming of doing it once relax ....and .... enjoy

at least he is having the best possible opponent for his return. Nionoumi never looked genki after that bout against Tenkaiho last basho. His knee was tapped after that and even though he got his KK in the end he still haven't beaten any rikishi that won more than 7 in a basho since then.

i think that Sasanoyama will at least get to the 3-3 mark quite easily after all. His opponents are definitely in his range after the 0-3 start (he wasn't as bad as the record indicates) and a small KK is in reach. I would actually bet on his KK even after the horrible start. and for the record .... i am with Kaioshoryu on this one. An absence from a basho does not count as "hitting the wall". A fighting MK on the other hand most definitely is. Rikishi that never had a real MK should be included in the list. At least they should be mentioned in a different list. same goes for Fukushima. Or anyone that never lost more than he won in a basho when he actually was entered in the torikumi

this is priceless .... (In jonokuchi...)

when I am doing well in a sumo game there's definitely something weird about the running basho. :-P

Kotooshu and Shogiku should just beat Kisenosato and put him in a kadoban position for next basho (i predict losses to the Yoks and possibly Kakuryu from what i have seen this far). This could cool all the tsunatori talks for ages and we can return to normality.