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  1. Sasanishiki

    The slowest rise to Yokozuna?

    Yeah, I was just thinking of an example of someone who dropped and could come up again to illustrate the point of my question about making yokozuna after dropping from ozeki. I don't think lumpy boy will make it. I have my doubts about Tochiazuma as well.
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    Hakuhou news and picture+NSK site tables

    Is it just me or does Hakuhou look a touch like a young Takanohana? He has that babyface that women of all ages will just lap up.
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    Southern Mongolians in Sumo

    Just to add. It is referred to as Manshuu in Japanese and Manchukuo in prewar transliteration of Chinese. Manchuria in English, of course. Sorry, historian in me coming out.
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    The slowest rise to Yokozuna?

    Just wondered about those statistics. I guess that doesn't really reflect if anyone has made ozeki, dropped and then made it back in. What I mean is, the date of ozeki promotion would be the first time they made, wouldn't it? Has anyone ever dropped from ozeki, made it back again and then become yokozuna? Not that I'm a fan, nor am I picking him, but someone young like Miyabiyama who made ozeki could make a comeback when he is slightly older and more consistent, not to mention more experienced with technique, opponents and his own body. Just a thought
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    Polynesian Wrestlers

    Yeah, well I said I wasn't an expert. India does all right in weightlifting too (although I stand to be correected). I was just pointing out their small nuggety athletes. As to the computing point, yes, it is the IIT (Indian Istitute of Technology) that produces so many good graduates. It's probably the hardest university to get into in the world and many who don't go to Ivy League universities in the States on scholarships. From what I've heard a lot of the IIT grads then go to large firms in the US (Sun Microsystems etc) to work. IIT grads also are quite entrepreneurial, with many having set up their own companies once they've learnt the ropes in a corporate. Anyway, completely off topic. I would like to add that almost every culture has some form of wrestling as a display of strength, agility, hand to hand combat, or whatever. I guess it just depends whether the techniques can be applied to sumo as to whether someone from another wrestling background is going to 'make' it. For example, if your type of wrestling requires a lot of rolling around on the ground then that would not transfer to sumo, but if it involved lots of throws and pushes then you might adapt.
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    Polynesian Wrestlers

    I'm not an expert by any means, so don't take what I say as gospel. India has its own national version of wrestling called kabbadi. I'm not sure what it is about but is a sort of group catch-as-catch-can from what I can make out. I think I read something that said you have to chant with one breath and during that time you are able to participate but you must go back to a neutral position once you can't chant anymore. Something like that. A team sport sort of. I'm sure you can google it if you want (I can't be bothered). Anyway, this aside. India seems to be quite good at conventional Olympic wrestling in the smaller weight classes. Iran and the Middle East also has a history of producing combat sport exponents as well. Perhaps not such a leap into sumo, except that they may lack the frame and girth that others (polynesians, for example) have or can acquire.
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    Beckham capsule

    Sorry to drag up something old, but I wonder what the Beckham capsule comes equipped with. Paparazzi hounding you? Saucy text messages? Nubile Personal Assistants? Models pursuing you? A whole bunch of no-names trying to get rich/famous/noticed/something off their chest/etc. by following you around, or being seen to do so? Perhaps the rikishi already have these? Can anyone enlighten me on the latest rumours about rikishi as I am a long way from the sports tabloids of Japan. Perhaps it could be a new thread?
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    New kesho-mawashi spotted

    SOD is a health supplement (details from follow) "Super oxide dismutase (SOD), is one of two important metabolic enzymes. SOD protects and revitalizes cells, and reduces the rate of cell destruction. As we age SOD levels decrease, while free radical production increases. This enzyme neutralizes the most dangerous free radicals, the superoxide radicals, before they can wreak havoc on the body. Super oxide dismutase is found naturally in barley grass, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, wheatgrass, and most green plants." The mawashi is from the Niwa SOD Research Group, whoever they might be.
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    You got a great site! Introduction...

    Actually there might be less than 330. I think some members might just make up different shikona so that they can argue with themselves (Benny and mojo?). Things get a bit heated here sometimes, but don't let that bother you, Hoshidango. Welcome to the forum. PS. BTW, I missed out on the whole Ben-Mo battle the first time around. I've had a bit of a look through old messages. Is that what got M banned? (Rijicho, if it is too touchy then just delete this bit. I'm just trying to get back up to speed after 2 weeks in computer exile)
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    Sumo Beginners

    Sorry, this is a little late as I have been having internet connection problems for the last 2 weeks! Johnofuji who has posted in the Amateur sumo forum here under the Nittaidai thread is active in Australia. I was there as an observer and am aware of the little activity that occurs here in my native New Zealand. I'm currently researching for my PhD thesis on the spread of amateur sumo and the form and organisation that it takes in different parts of the world. There is a little about amateur sumo in Europe if you go to You can also look at what is happening in Central Europe via or or which are all set up and administered (and updated from time to time) by a Czech amateur sumo who goes by the name Shiroikuma (lit. white bear, ie polar bear). There is not much on the website of Australian sumo but have a look anyway As for the US, try which gives updates of what is happening in Japanese pro sumo as wellas updates of Californian sumo. There is also a club I have read about in New Jersey from which Manny Yarborough emerged. I expect you've seen/heard of him - an American who won the amateur World Champs a while back. He's black, huge and seems to represent 'sumo' to some and not to others. Well, that should keep you going, and I'm glad to see that some are contributing to the amateur pages, which seemed to languish from time to time. There were some other messages on here but they must have fallen off the current messages because they are too old. :-)
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    Paper on Yaocho

    Try this link to a PDF file I hope that works, only I am on a university computer and we have lots of licenses etc and sometimes can access things others can't. I found that by using Google and putting 'Sumo' and 'Corruption' in as search terms. I think I may have read it before but it would have been a little while ago. Basically, they look at the statistics of 7-7 wrestlers heading into the final day needing kachikoshi. They eliminate the bouts where two wrestlers are both 7-7 because someone has to lose. They come up with stats that show a disproportionate amount of 7-7 wrestlers win to reach a winning record overall and then suggest this is due to yaocho (match rigging). I can't remember if they look at bouts between 7-7 wrestlers and those already with kachikoshi and makekoshi separately, but I would be surprised if they didn't.
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    Shin-deshi Query

    Just a hypothetical situation. To get into mae-zumo wouldn't the shin-deshi have to reached the height and weight guidelines for entering the ranks in sumo? Being recruited as shin-deshi does not require meeting these (as far as I am aware), only the potential to be big enough and heavy enough in the future. Perhaps the remaining 53 were too light at this stage? Please correct me if I have my understanding of the shin-deshi recruitment and maezumo admittance wrong.
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    Shikona meanings

    This is an interesting case. The Kyokai site displays the 'you' (lengthened 'o' sound) in hiragana syllabry whilst the little picture placard next to his picture gives the character written in cursive script. There is a reason for this. They are able to write it in the cursive script because this is essentially a picture. They do not write it as a chinese character elsewhere in the text because they are unable to do so. The first character of his name is an irregular character that does not exist in JIS script. It means that the Sumo kyokai is not able to produce his name in their regular correspondence etc. It also means that his shikona can't be written in the newspapers either. Shikona can be written anyway they like because they are not covered by legal requirements that cause some other names to be simplified so that they can appear on official documents. He was therefore able to choose the writing of his name. From my reading, apparently the character was used in the title of an Edo-period (1600-1867) entertainment book, and was one of the characters in the name of a North Korean official a couple of decades ago. Apart from that it doesn't exist as such. For the record, the 'tsukasa' part comes from the oyakata of Irumagawa-beya, whose shikona as a wrestler was Tochitsukasa. Thus we have Outsukasa, Nadatsukasa, Goutsukasa etc. I guess it would have been easier if Youtsukasa had stuck with his original shikona (his family name of Suzuki) when he entered Makushita.
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    Shikona meanings

    Actuallythe 'ro' means dew (also read as tsuyu on its own), not frost. The character 'ro' does have a connection with his country of origin however. The 'ro' was used to signify the first syllable of the word 'roshia', which was the Japanized form of Russia. Incidentally, the noun for frost is 'shimo', which is the first character of the current komusubi Shimotori's shikona. As others have noted, this is his real name and means 'frost bird' or 'bird of the frost'
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    Shikona meanings

    BTW, my shikona is a play on a species of rice. I'd always thought that it would make a good shikona and I now have a chance to use it!! ;-)
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    Shikona meanings

    In response to Asashosakari's comment, and also taking leaping off of Exil's earlier comment, Jumonji is written as Jyumonji because of different ways of transliterating Japanese into English script. The first character, meaning 10 or a cross, is read as juu (that is, a macron over the 'u' to lengthen the sound). It is written in Japanese syllabary as 'ji' with a 'yu' sound to form 'ju' or sometimes written by a different English method of transliteration as 'jyu'. the sound is then lengthened by the addition of a 'u'. In response to Exil's query [bTW, what is 'a ten sentence letter' (Jumonji)? ] the meaning of monji (also read as moji) means a written character or a letter of an alphabet. I mentioned above that the firt character can be read as meaning cross. Jumonji could be interpreted as 'character of the cross', or perhaps at a stretch, 'sign of the cross'. This has almost Biblical connotations. Does anyone know if he or his family have a connection to Christianity?
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    Nittai Dai University

    Johnofuji, How is the training coming along for the Oceania champs? Great to see people here posting on amazumo, and Oceania region sumo at that! (Shaking head...) Wanting to here more from other parts of the world. I'm researching it people, give me information! Johnofuji, I'll see you at Castle Hill on Sunday week for the Oceania champs with my video and tripod again. Cheers Sasanishiki
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    Welcome Mojo. I'd just like to update the comment that Manekineko made. if you want to contact the British Sumo Association you search their website and contact Manekineko is correct in saying that the Europeans currently in professional sumo in Japan began in amateur sumo in their own countries (and often European competitions). Many were also involved in another sport such as judo or Olympic wrestling classes. Although pro sumo has height and weight guidelines, as well as age ranges which it recruits, I'd like to make everyone aware (if they aren't already) that amateur sumo does not 'discriminate' in this way. Amateur sumo has weight divisions, which allow for more even matches in terms of the size of competitors. It also has junior championships (not sure of the age range) and you do not need to be young to begin the sport. There is also amateur sumo for women run along the same lines. Enquire at your local association. For those in Europe check out and all others try (although the information at this site is at least a couple of years old). You can always try Google as a source of information. And before you I do not compete in sumo, but amateur sumo is the topic of my PhD thesis. :-O
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    Top 50 rikishi since 1958

    Resepct for all the hard work. (In a state of confusion...) It is interesting to consider what lies behind some of these statistics (or not as the case may be). While using averages per basho etc might help to try and span the gap between different generations when trying to compare great rikishi, this is always going to be a relatively futile exercise. There are always so many intangibles. Much of the argument that I am going to bring up can be related to other sports such as boxing (of which I have little interest). People are now trying to evaluate where Lennox Lewis stands amongst the all-time greats. First and foremost, any successful or dominant wrestler does so within his generation, or perhaps a couple if they have longevity. They therefore have to repsond to their opponents. They can only be compared to their opponents because that is the only opposition they have. If a certain period of sumo (or any sport) is considered weak we cannot truly evaluate the strongest athletes from that period against others because they are a product of their environment. They may have become even better if the competition was stronger, or they may not have been as successful if challenged more often. We need to take into account (in sumo) the relative strength of each heya because of the support various ozeki and yokozuna get by not having to fight their brothers and also in getting their brothers to beat up on other opponents. I could make other points but I have already typed plenty. Well done Zentoryu-zeki, and it certainly gives us a good guide. However, before we start raving about so-and-so and compare which is better etc., let's be aware of the limitations of such comparisons (Sigh...)
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    Akebono on a bike

    Just in response to Amanogawa's comment about the tattoo. Isn't 'Yokozuna' a brand name that Akebono was using on T-shirts etc. I'm not sure if that was just outside of Japan, but I'm sure I've seen stuff somewhere about it (not in shops though). It's a bit like Konikis using 'KONISHIKI' as his brand on T-shirts etc. It brings up interesting ramifications though in terms of the use of the term. For example, he is not the only yokozuna, so is he allowed to use the brand? Legally, I would think so if he is the first to register it. However, is there some sort of cultural property right happening here that the Sumo kyokai could claim if they objected? (Laughing...)
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    Events in the Calendar

    Hi All amasumo fans. I've added the dates of some major tounaments this year into the SumoForum calendar. They are the Asian Sumo Champs and the Junior World Champs in July (both Osaka) and the World Champs in November (in Germany). Feel free to add dates that you are aware of into the calendar and follow up with a post in the amasumo discussions. (Laughing...)
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    I'm new

    Hi everyone. I'm new to the list and wanted to send my greetings. I've looked around the forum a couple of times as a guest and thought I'd take the plunge. My interests are watching ozumo, but I'm particularly interested in news about amateur sumo and shinzumo (women's amateur) from around the world. I'm researching and writing a dissertation on these topics. If anyone has news then plese let me know, or post it to the amateur thread. Sasanishiki :-)