Jaak
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It's also possible that he is just simply having a bad basho due to general weakness-translation-he sucks this basho-nothing sinister, it happens to the best. Yes, but the best sometimes struggle to the end (and give their opponents predictable wins) rather than go kyujo. Like Chiyotaikai did with his 2:13 basho - though he went on with 2:9:4 on his last two ozeki bashos.
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But Baruto is very much in the Yusho race. Fell a bit behind now.
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If you want this answered, you should put in a thread that has something to do with it-not "kyujo and fusensho rules" which have nothing to do with unmotivated sumo. I almost missed it because I wouldn't read this thread usually, I just stumbled on it by mistake and I would gladly answer it if I knew about it. In any case, no warnings have been issued yet, at least none that have been made public. It does have a lot to do with unmotivated sumo, because the outcome of 2 unmotivated sumo warnings is supposed to be kyujo advice. Kotooshu now decided to go kyujo, with 3-8-4 score. He might have continued - e.g. Chiyotaikai in March 2009 stayed to the end with 2-13 score. Kotooshu
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Still, it was consecutive undefeated matches after makuuchi debut. Oshio had 9 wins and 1 azukari on his zensho makuuchi debut, followed by 1 azukari and 2 wins on the second basho.
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Now there shall be the first ozeki meeting. Baruto has collected 8 wins, Harumafuji has not.
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Already? (5 ozekis and yokozuna could meet in 5 days). Sounds like a time to start ozeki games, Harumafuji needs some and Baruto does not.... Or else Baruto is motivated despite this being a play basho.
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Chiyonoyama won the first 3 bouts in his second basho, so would that be considered a "start" of 13 wins? Chiyonoyama also won the last 5 bouts in his last juryo basho. I believe kettei-sens were invented shortly after Chiyonoyama did not get yusho with zensho.
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Zensho but emphatically NOT a yusho! (3rd day result was fusensho, too) Another zensho 10-0 (Haguroyama) got the yusho. As for Taiho, the 11 wins also included fusensho on 8th day. Sadanoumi actually fought and won all 9 days.
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There are supposed to be warnings now for unmotivated sumo. Have any been issued?
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He blew that opportunity.
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Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever? They have now... Kaisei, go for the yusho! Checked the past. The all time record is held by Taiho, at 11 straight. He went on to have 12-3, but not yusho.
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Now he's the first to win his first 6 straight as a newbie in 20 years- the last one to do that was ex-Takanonami in Kyushu of 1991. Has anyone won 7 straight ever?
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My god that was painful to watch. I didn't think that any ozeki could perform more badly than Konishiki in his truly terrible 3-12 back in Aki '88 but he managed it... Shionoumi, in 1951.01, fought and lost 3 days, made fusenpai on 4th, was kyujo 5th to 7th day, returned on 8th and fought to the end, losing all. Total 0-12-3. Kaio has lost 12 bashos as ozeki. Including 3 times 0-4-11: 2001.09, 2002.07 and 2005.09. So losing this basho would not have been drastically different. It may yet happen - but he has 4 wins already.
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The all time record of losses by ozeki is from Chiyotaikai, in March 2009: 13, none of them fusen. It happened just once - there have been a few occasions of 12 losses. So Kotooshu has the opportunity to break the record with 14 losses. (But Chiyotaikai met sanyaku as well on the first days). Kaio collected the second loss, so it is Baruto who is gambarizing on the play basho.
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Very true, so maybe it is time for some Forumers to acknowledge that Kaio apparently still is strong enough to survive on his own and that his good records against some said-to-be gachinko rikishi like Tochiozan (9-1) or Homasho (8-2) have nothing to do with their lack of effort against him or worse. I think most of the talk was about the Ozeki amongst themselves and EXACTLY guys like Tochiouzan and Houmashou who grew up on the legend of KaioU and although they would never "throw" a bout knowingly, they may lose out of respect and not wishing to be the ones that will bring about the end of his illustrious career. Or simply lose confidence in front of a legend. The same applies to a bunch of losses against Hakuho - adversaries who know they are unlikely to win may very well miss an opportunity when Hakuho errs.
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There is an ozeki with radically different performance - he has not had 1:4 as ozeki.
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What did a gachinko basho look like?
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Considering Kotooshu, he might have no choice. And now Kaio is 2 wins ahead of Kotooshu. Was it this time unmotivated sumo by Kitataiki, wrong call by gyoji and shimpan, or something else?
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Is it really not Komusubi-sumo, though? Toyonoshima
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Nosh tried a maki-kae at the most inopportune time. Good to see that Kaio can move forward quickly, but maybe it was Toyonoshima's weakness rather than Kaio's strength that did it. For the sake of our premature jumper - was it Toyonoshima
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After first day loss and second day win, Kaio has had results as high as 12-3 (November 2010) and as low as 1-3-11 (November 2008). What did his second day win look like - how good is he this time?
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Well, his first victory! There have been very few 0:15 results. IIRC, 8 ever, none higher than lower maegashira. Worst ozeki results seems to have been Shionoumi, 1951.01: 0-12-3. He did fight next basho.
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When is the un-basho banzuke due for publication? What shall the division sizes be? Specifically, shall any of the upper divisions have odd size?
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Now that specific tainted bashos and matches are known: how many demotions out of juryo had been avoided in each basho?
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All sumo related people (wrestlers, coaches/judges, referees, servants and hairdressers) work in heyas in Tokyo between bashos and during the 3 Tokyo bashos, and the low ranking wrestlers live there (sekitori are allowed to have homes to live and raise families, but commute to train at heyas). However, for the 2 weeks of Haru-basho, Nagoya-basho and Kyushu-basho, they all go to Osaka, Nagoya and Fukuoka respectively. Where do they live during these bashos? How long before basho opening days do they arrive, and how long after senshuraku do they return to Tokyo? What do these places do for 11 and a half months of year that sumo world is not there? If there had been more gachinko players, they would now have been safe in Osaka for Haru-Basho, while Tokyo is disrupted by shaking damage, rolling blackouts and radiation. How many of the sumo world have now fled Tokyo to elsewhere in Japan? And where?