Iwagakki

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  1. ok, so with kosho status, couldn't an ozeki go, like uh 0-8-7, then 0-0-15, 0-0-15, 0-0-15, 0-0-15, and and still be an Ozeki? Then finish the year with an 8-7, and it's all good again?

    But now Ozeki is only slightly more stable than any other position, and is just another slot on the banzuke, for all practical purposes. Except it takes 2 losing basho to drop instead of 1.

    I think the loss of Kosho is a bad thing. It would be better to retain the highest qualified candidates at Ozeki, and ensure that they are able to honor the position by competing at their best, rather than force them to be "pathetic Ozeki's" and bumble along at 8-7 and 9-6 because they aren't up to the task due to their injuries. It makes the whole concept of "ozeki" look like the phrase "second place is the first loser".


  2. Anyway, a comanchero is/was a hispanic trader in the central part of New Mexico.

    Homasho does seem to have a certain familiarity, though. He looks like a skinny version of my friend winston.

    A Comanchero is/was a Native American trader in the Southwest, not a Hispanic trader, and the term is left over from the 1800s. The confusion probably stems from the ignorance of white and/or Spanish settlers in the region in those days. Of course they were confusing times, with a lot of mixing going on among the "new lower class" races: Native Americans, Blacks slaves, Native Mexicans, newborn Hispanic race only several generations old, and even the Chinese migrant laborers. Add to this the fact that the Comanche tribe's Shoshonean dialect shares linguistic roots with the Aztec language (still not Hispanic). So it was all very confusing and it was actually Spanish-speaking settlers (missionaries etc.) and Hispanics that generalized all Native Americans as the predominant tribe in the region at the time, Comanche, hence Comanchero. The origin is most likely from turn of the 19th century, give or take. Comanche and Comanchero both appear ad nauseam in plenty of old Westerns and the terms are generally derogatory, at least in a passive way. Comanche is the same as 'Injun' and Comanchero is more like 'Injun Hobo,' or 'wetback' type connotation.

    I'm sure OY did not mean any of these things.

    Wow!!! I don't even know where to begin.

    OK, I suppose this should be seperated into another thread, but....A Comanchero was not a Native American trader in the southwest. They were New Mexico native Hispanic and mixed blood traders, who worked in the area of Central and Northern New Mexico. Wikipedia is your friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comancheros

    The word Comancheros comes from the fact that these traders worked in an area that included the Comanche. Comanche and Comanchero are NOT interchangeable, and they are not the same group of people. They were often considered "lower class" you are right about that.

    Furthermore, the Hispanic people of the region, did NOT generalize all groups of people in the area as being of the dominant tribe. There are several groups in the area: A number of Pueblo peoples, Apache, Navajo. Comanche were on the eastern side of the area. The Hispanic people of the area, then and now, are quite well aware that there are different tribes in different areas. I will not go so far as to say that relations have always been good, but neither side thought of the other as a homogeneous group. It wasn't and isn't just "injuns" and "spics".

    The Comanche are a tribe whose original home range included the area that the Comancheros traded in. They were "removed" by the US government, to a reservation in Oklahoma. Their Tribal Chairman Wallace Coffey, is a close personal friend of mine, and helped me a lot through college in Santa Fe ( http://www.iaiancad.org/ ), where he worked before he was the Chairman of his tribe. It may be easier for someone who refers to Native Americans as "INJUNS" to think that he is the "BIG CHIEF" of the Comanche.

    Here is a link to the Website of the the Comanche Nation. http://www.comanchenation.com/ Wikipedia also has an article on the Comanche tribe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche

    You sound like you've read a book or two. I suggest further study, and less talk about it until you are a little better informed.

    The Comanche Language is indeed a Uto-Aztecan language. The Comanche are, in fact, an offshoot of the Shoshone tribe. Comanche can almost be regarded as a dialect of Shoshone, but not quite, because of the hundreds of years of further development as a culture distinct from the Shoshone. I have had interesting conversations about it with people from both tribes. Many words are similar. There is a well known story regarding this divergence, but I will not go into it.

    Comanche is not a derogatory term, it is the anglicized name of a Tribe, and has been adopted by that tribe. Comanchero is something else, it maybe is a derogatory term for a class of people, but not (necessarily) of race. It does carry a lot of connotations, and I'm not so sure that all Hispanic people in New Mexico would enjoy being called that.

    Comanche is NOT the same as 'Injun' and Comanchero is NOT more like 'Injun Hobo,' or 'wetback' type connotation. The fact that you continue to use the word "INJUN" is revolting.

    The word "injun" is a direct insult. It is right up there with saying "Wop" or "Mick" or "Paddy" or "Beaner" or "Wetback" or "Coon" or "Chink" or "Jap" or "Spook" or "Gook". The word comes from a bastardization/generalization, and is loaded with the whole "John Wayne" history of western movies, and a lot more. Not very elegant, I must say. It is only a slightly less acidic version of "redskin."

    "Injun Hobo" is bizarre. I suggest you don't say that again. It reflects poorly on you.

    As far as OY is concerned: I am aware that he was suggesting that Homasho looks like he could be Native American. (I would have to say that Homasho has a remarkable resemblence to some of my friends who are Navajo.) I was just having a little fun with him.

    Very interesting really. That could lead into a whole other conversation about heritage, and certainly allows for some reference to the Zuni language.

    The Zuni Language is what is known as a "language isolate". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuni_language

    The people of Zuni (a pueblo in New Mexico) are the only speakers of this whole linguistic branch. There is a great mystery about it, because it SEEMS to bear some resemblence to JAPANESE. http://www.nativecalling.org/archives/2000/jul/07252000.ram

    So, Homasho, could indeed be a Native American. (Blushing...) If you look at it a certain way....


  3. Is he Komanchero?

    DSCF2710.jpg

    ? you mean like from Albuquerque ?

    Maybe Komanchero means something different in Ossetia than it does here.

    Injun

    hmmmm (Scratching chin...) No...I don't think I will....

    Anyway, a comanchero is/was a hispanic trader in the central part of New Mexico.

    Homasho does seem to have a certain familiarity, though. He looks like a skinny version of my friend winston.


  4. ...It was -30C here the other night and nice -15 it has been daytime too now ...

    The thing you are wanting over there in the other cold north after this basho, is oden. This is the food to keep warm. It warms right to the soul, and "gives shy persons the strength to get up and do what needs to be done."


  5. One time no one could beat Asashoryu because he was too quick. Then no one could beat him because he intimidated them in training sessions. Now apparently no one could beat him because he is paying tons of money to win. I wonder what they come up with next.

    I seem to have lost the plot a little on this conversation...But anyway, I agree with you about this. Apparently, just being more motivated, and (gulp) better than the competition just isn't enough of an explanation.

    As for what's next: Ms. Uchidate is a front for the North Koreans, who are actually controlling the NSK, and she and Dear Leader have come up with a plot to kidnap Musashimaru, and brainwash him to come back and get knocked out 12 times in a row in K-1, if Asashoryu doesn't make it 6 yusho in a row this year...


  6. The point is that one can understand if sumo reporters wonder why Kotomitsuki is so incompetent even in the bouts he gets into good positions against Shoryu. It has been quite obvious for me too that those losses are peculiar. Kotomitsuki loses badly often but never from his favourite positions like that.

    Actually, I think the explanation is much more mundane than "yaocho". I think Asashoryu is just in Mickey's head, so to speak. The mental pressure of 23 consecutive losses must be such a burden, it just crushes Mickey even before he gets to the point of securing his favorite grip. Maybe it isn't so much that Asashoryu is actually that much better, but that his own mind starts winding up, and overthinking, and worrying "what if?" again, and so on.

    I really think these guys are so close together, in terms of talent, and ability, that they're almost totally equal. All the Ozeki's and Sanyaku's and upper Maegashira regulars, are virtually absolutely equal in physical ability, and talent. But really what it comes down to in most instances is mental ability.

    Asashoryu is slightly different. I think he is maybe 3% more gifted physically than the rest, which is a huge amount, and even if his mental state is only 98% sometimes, he is still 1% better. That is monumental, in a game where the difference between Ozeki and the current Wakanosato is only like 1/64 %.

    The physical and technical advantages are limited I think, since the training is fairly equal across the board after all these years. It must be about mental game and "peaking" like I keep saying. Yaocho isn't the explanation, peaking is. Asashoryu is in such a rhythm, and his game peaks right when it needs to, and he's pretty sturdy, and not chronically injured. I would say that not being injured, peaking during the basho, and his 3% natural ability advantage goes a lot further than he would get buying matches.


  7. Right. Nice "sources" in that article. What is this whole "cloak and dagger" hidden sources thing? If yaocho is so true, then why the need to hide? Fear of retaliation? Get real. If what the whistleblowers are saying is true, then it would seem like a lot of people would be out, and in no position to retaliate, due to the publicity it would generate.

    And the logical basis for calling yaocho is really convincing, too, as usual. Tenzan goes to the other side of the dressing rooms? That's proof of rigged matches? Huh? Kotomitsuki lost 23 in a row, and that's proof? Oh, and he looked bad doing it? Hmmm, what about when he looks bad in all his other losses? Is he just a bout selling machine? I guess he buys 8 and sells 7 each basho?

    And Roho "throws" matches to Asashoryu? Really? is that even realistic? He looks "troubled" even in his favorite grip?

    I want names, not of the "perpetrators" but of these "sources". Wild accusations in the dark are useless. If yaocho is really happening, then why not "clean it up", instead of just murmuring and being impotent whiners about it? Oh, that's right, because that is the key word, isn't it, "Impotent?"

    Thanks for the translation. (Blushing...)


  8. Some of the pics are definitely photo-shopped.

    No?

    Maybe. But some of them definitely SHOULD be.

    I'm still trying to rub my eyes, and make sure I'm not seeing it wrong. I even double checked that my monitor wasn't acting up....

    Talk about "unfortunate" lighting, in some to those. (Laughing...)

    I mean, Hakurozan (bless him) looks like one those "If they mated" things on Conan O'brien. That one has got to be messed with, doesn't it? Otherwise he should sue the photographer for slander.

    I'm not making fun either, but...come on, that's just not right.


  9. I have to start working on this ;-) . Sumo in London ;-)

    Perhaps I will have died and gone to Heaven if can go to London, and drink pints of Cider and watch sumo, and just be in the place I wish to be.

    I have a hard time imagining something I would like more than that. Kids will be hardcore fans by then, and we will have a great time


  10. Now, I am not even suggesting this to be real, but I could (hypothetically speaking, of course) Imagine a scenario in which a yokozuna, or more likely an Ozeki, could "allow" a kinboshi, by perhaps only exerting, say, 85% effort in a match that meant nothing to him, and someday later on, there would be an unspoken "gentleman's agreement," that the (hypothetical) recipient would owe the yokozuna/ozeki a "kinboshi" in return at some point in the future, suppose when in a kadoban situation. There wouldn't even have to be a conscious thought regarding it, just as there isn't necessarily a conscious agreement when they synchronize for the tachiai......

    Nitpicking- an Ozeki can't allow a "kinboshi" simply because a "kinboshi" is achieved only by a Maegashira rikishi winning against a Yokozuna. Subsequently, when the other guy loses to a Y/O in return, it can't be a "kinboshi", since Y/O are not eligible for "kinboshis" in the first place... I think you meant a "shiroboshi", though an "umeboshi" would not be outside the realms of reason.

    Still, I get what you're implying, though I don't believe it happens at this level.

    I edited the ozeki in after the fact, so that looks strange. And I was sort of thinking that the Yokozuna would be "owed" the equivalent of the kinboshi, somehow, not that he actually got one.

    And who in the world would throw a match for umeboshi? :-) Tsuriotoshi results from offers of umeboshi.

    Anyway, I know it sounded not right. Sorry for the lack of clarity.


  11. Anywhere in Japan where there's money involved you'll find gangs and rigging. Business, politics, and the yaks are so intertwined as to be a single entity. The only questions are who is involved willingly and who unwittingly, and to what extend the corruption exists.

    I've often wondered if it actually constitutes "corruption" if it's so pervasive, or if that is just how it actually is, and therefore, it's legitimate? Does that make sense? Is it just a matter of perception, or point of reference? Yak's, generally don't regard themselves as corrupt, do they? Nor do the businessmen, or companys that take advantage of Yak influence, necessarily. The only time there is any consideration, is when someone slips up and exposes the machinery, so to speak. Then someone has to act out this scene of penitence, and "oh, the bad Yakuza" and so on, even though they fool nobody, and everyone knows it's just a show, and what the real play really is. It's not so much corruption, as it is a show, even a ritual.

    Anyway, same with yaocho. It is probably just a "matter of fact" part of sumo. Perhaps it isn't so direct and obvious, but I would be willing to believe that micro-politics, and interpersonal relationships are a significant part of sumo.

    Now, I am not even suggesting this to be real, but I could (hypothetically speaking, of course) Imagine a scenario in which a yokozuna, or more likely an Ozeki, could "allow" a kinboshi, by perhaps only exerting, say, 85% effort in a match that meant nothing to him, and someday later on, there would be an unspoken "gentleman's agreement," that the (hypothetical) recipient would owe the yokozuna/ozeki a "kinboshi" in return at some point in the future, suppose when in a kadoban situation. There wouldn't even have to be a conscious thought regarding it, just as there isn't necessarily a conscious agreement when they synchronize for the tachiai......


  12. I think that these yaocho "accusations" are not so much an attack on the integrity of sumo, as much as they are an expression of a certain undercurrent, in sumo, and in society. It is really hard to come to terms with how dominant and how good Asashoryu really is, and so we search for answers, and try to make sense of it, anyway we can.

    These papers are just like the National Enquirer and that stupid Weekly World News, and all other tabloids, they have no real journalistic aspirations or integrity. They do, however, serve an important purpose (I suppose... (Blushing...) ) and that is to express the unexpressable in society. They do reflect our anxieties, and maybe even the "zeitgeist" of the lowest common denominator. It is there, and a lot of people want to feel some sense of understanding, no matter how absurd, about Asashoryu, (or Britney, or Government conspiracies, or UFO's or whatever). It can't just BE the way it looks, there has to be something more to it. "There Just Has To Be!!!" (Laughing...)


  13. I don't know anything about Tokitenku. He has surprising skills, which have quietly brought him up the banzuke. 8-7 at M2 last basho, should move him to M1, and almost totally un-noticed in doing it. Wins lately over Kotooshu, Kotoshogiku, Kotomitsuki, make seem Koto-proof. Beat Hakuho and Kisenosato. Quite solid. Funny that he beats these rikishi, loses to Takekaze.

    Last basho didn't lose from day 8.

    Not quite as strong as Ozeki/Yokozuna material, but seems right on power wise in Komosubi/Sekiwake area. Techically very good. Has amazingly quick reflexes, and is very athletic. Never notice it, since he is so un-noticeable.

    Has a funny look. His face looks like it doesn't go in sumo.

    Is he really that old? 27? He joined Ozumo in 2002 at the age of 23?

    Very talented indeed. Only 24 months to Makuuchi debut. That is really remarkable, and surprising.

    Has bounced up and down record wise, recently, mostly 8-7/9-6 but also 5-10, and 10-5.

    Has been around upper Maegashira lately. Hardly noticed.


  14. The guy's barely out of his teens, for Chris's sake... (Shaking head...)

    So that means we are not allowed to have opinions or concerns? Perhaps we should keep our thoughts to ourselves, regarding all rikishi? This is a discussion about Kisenosato. I think it is noteworthy that he is at a point in his career where he posts many consecutive 8-7's. I think it is worth discussing that the sumo world expects a lot from him, and at the moment, he is kind of mediocre.

    For the record, I am very much a fan of Kisenosato. I look forward to the time when he, Hakuho, Homasho, and Kotoshogiku are right in the thick of it with Asashoryu. 2-4 years? Until then, he is what he is, and what he is, for now, is worth talking about.

    What I think he is, is a young hopeful with loads of potential, who has problems with overtraining, balance, and concentration. he also has a serious lack of flow and rhythm in his sumo, but that will come around. he needs to get to a point where he can move without thought, and "use the force". but he isn't there yet. He is out-thinking himself.

    Don't tell me I can't think it, or talk about it. Or even infer such with your righteous indignation. (Annoyed...)


  15. It's interesting to note that in the last 6 basho, the Ozeki combined have only made MK once (Tochi this basho.) Kaio and Tochi dropped out once each to have losing records, but that's kind of different. Hakuho missed one basho.

    Overall they seem pretty strong. I guess it's sort of perception and expectation. The Ozeki have a lot of 8-7 and 9-6 records, only Hakuho made it past 10 wins more than one time. (in fact, Tochiazuma is the only other who made it past 10 with a 12-3 in march.)

    They all have the tools to meet and beat Asashoryu one time. But it's the fact that even if they get the win against him, they are also losing to Tamanoshima and Roho and Kokkai.

    I don't know, Asashoryu isn't making them look bad with continuous 14-1 yusho. Nothing can be done about that. It's the space between them at the end that is odd.

    Even Hakuho(who I firmly believe in), in the last 6 months has been less than stellar. Fans can get antsy. The first part of 2006 was awesome though. with his 13-2's and 14-1's. At least there was a challenge to Asashoryu. I think hakuho comes back next basho stronger than ever, and we have a race to the end. The rest of the Ozeki's will have be 9-6 or 10-5.


  16. He could be the greatest of all time which inevitably makes everyone look weaker than they are.

    This is the truth. Everyone looks weak next to him. You can't take anything away from Asashoryu, because no matter what, when, or who you compare him to, he is probably the greatest. But I am getting a little bored with yusho's decided on day 1.

    A basho is loaded with little stories. little plot twists abound. but we need the big story, with actual drama. Nowadays it's just "Asashoryu wins Yusho", and we are left finding all the little things to talk about.

    If 5 basho in a row, Asashoryu and Hakuho and Kisenosato are all 13-1 going into Senshuraku, and Asashoryu yusho's, he will look like the king of kings. Which he should. He deserves to be recognized as a dai-yokozuna. Until then, there will alway be little whispers.


  17. Time goes by, is all I'm saying, and it goes by faster than anyone thinks it does, or should. I remember Kaio, when he was in Kisenosato's current position, like it was yesterday. Now he's an old Ozeki. Just overnight, like that.

    Time flies, and in sumo, time is the most difficult opponent of them all. Sumo is a young man's game, and there is a tiny, tiny window of opportunity. When the moment is lost, it is lost, and you can't go back in time to find it.

    I said this several years ago, now, about Asashoryu. He charged in, and just raced straight to the top, before he ever had a moment to think about what he was doing. He didn't have the time, stalled out at Komosubi, or Ozeki, to start thinking about how he wanted to "make it". He just did it, and there was no time when he could think about what he was doing wrong.

    Kisenosato is pretty much a victim of his own success though, by that line of thinking. He's 20 years and 6 months old now. Let's take a look at how Asashoryu did between his 20th and 21st birthday:

    2000.11 J3w 11-4

    2001.01 M12w 9-6

    2001.03 M6e 9-6

    2001.05 Kw 8-7

    2001.07 Ke 7-8

    2001.09 M1w 10-5

    Look familiar there at the end? He followed up with Ke 10-5, Sw 8-7, in effect spending a year "stalled in lower sanyaku", before he broke out into his run to the Ozeki rank, reaching it shortly before his 22nd birthday. If Kisenosato is still putting up 7-8's and 8-7's at Komusubi in a year, let's talk again. Time may fly in sumo, but not quite as quickly as you're trying to make it out here.

    It doesn't look like a years worth of 8-7's followed by a 7-8.

    I say heats the wall.

    I think he might break out, but he just isn't showing it at the moment. He's still learning. Sure, he's got some skills, but he's certainly not living up to the hype lately. He's just better than Kokkai and such. Not better than Osh (sadly), Mitsuki, Hakuho, and such.

    In a couple years he can be different. I don't think he will be so different this year. 7-8, 8-7, 9-6 It's better if he doesn't though, because it creeps up, and all of a sudden he's Wakanosato Redux.


  18. Kisenosato... (First prize...)

    Very young, but soon will be 21, and then 22. Needs to get better soon.

    He's got enough pressure already! He's still a kid so give him a break. He'll make ozeki rank before turning 24, no sweat.

    It's not meant as additional pressure.

    Time goes by, is all I'm saying, and it goes by faster than anyone thinks it does, or should. I remember Kaio, when he was in Kisenosato's current position, like it was yesterday. Now he's an old Ozeki. Just overnight, like that.

    Time flies, and in sumo, time is the most difficult opponent of them all. Sumo is a young man's game, and there is a tiny, tiny window of opportunity. When the moment is lost, it is lost, and you can't go back in time to find it.

    I said this several years ago, now, about Asashoryu. He charged in, and just raced straight to the top, before he ever had a moment to think about what he was doing. He didn't have the time, stalled out at Komosubi, or Ozeki, to start thinking about how he wanted to "make it". He just did it, and there was no time when he could think about what he was doing wrong.

    It is often the same for other Yokozuna. Not all of them, certainly, but many. It isn't that time just grinds on their body. It's that time gives them enough rope to hang themselves with.

    Now Kisenosato is stalled out at Komosubi, thinking so hard about his technique, and about what he needs to do to "make it" that it becomes the biggest barrier to him actually doing it.

    He needs the wave, to just push him right into yokozuna, and he doesn't have it at this moment. Time rolls on. Like I said, I remember "golden boy" Kaio, and it never came true. His window went by, and time let him think about it. He just never got the wave he needed. And each successive one was smaller and less powerful.

    Sure he's young, but so was Asashoryu. So was Takanohana, so was Akebono, etc. 21 isn't so far from 23. And 23 isn't so far from 26. And 26 is closer to 30 than 20. Time rolls on.

    If not now, then when?


  19. I think a "wiki" approach is more likely to succeed. Perhaps jumpstarted with an initial framework, maybe.

    A comprehensive sumo information repository is more of a "life's work" sort of thing, and is a monumental and heroic undertaking. Seriously. It would, (and will, in effect) take several lifetimes.

    The amount of information contained in this forum alone, pictures, opinions, stats, and writings at all levels is an impressive thing. Some kind of archiving of this forum would be a fine beginning to the "framework".


  20. I think we are in for a year of changes.

    Tochiazuma's body is so torn apart, I am amazed that he has gone this long. He won't be around in 2008, I think.

    Kaio is not doing good keiko, and is losing a lot of muscle in the last 2 years. A LOT. He's still stonger than anyone, but time is not on his side. Now he is talking about being the "gatekeeper" . It is not a role that suits him, and it won't satisfy him. I think a loss of drive, and a bit of some contentment outside the dohyo is the end of the Tsuna, and Kaio is finally there. I hoped so much that we see one more solid run at the tsuna out of him this year, but we won't.

    Tosanoumi is losing his shine, a little bit more than last year.

    many of our guys are on the north side of 30.

    In sumo that is like being 65. Eligible for social security.

    Tochi is "only" 30, but an old 30, even for a rikishi. He will be happy to be a young man again when he is Oyakata.

    Kaio is 34. He will be a fine young man again, when he is oyakata, too.

    Taikai and Mickey are not so old as Tochi , even though they are the same age.

    Miyabiyama is getting older now too. He was younger last basho, and felt "indian summer" . Maybe not anymore.

    'Zakura's are not getting any younger. Younger brother is soon 33. They are too fun to intai though.

    Otsukasa looks slightly fresher than "use by" date, but still is fading fast.


  21. Kisenosato... :-P

    He seems consistent. There is something about him I just don't get. Is he at his peak? He seems rather well suited to be Komosubi/Sekiwake, but I have a hard time envisioning his sumo as Ozeki. It just doesn't have that "pop" yet. Fundamentally, he is sound, I guess, but his aura on the dohyo does not seem extraordinary. Much like Kotomitsuki, perhaps more like Wakanosato. Recognizably strong, and technically sound, but just not the type that inspires awe.

    he is so young, it is impossible to tell. He has come so far in such a short time, that we haven't had a great sense of his true potential.

    I think he is heating the wall. His level is higher than many, but not as high as some. And perhaps he is perennial Sekiwake. I just don't see his level rising that much anytime soon. It is a big jump to go from continuous 8-7 at this level, to 11-3.

    Surly attitude notwithstanding, he is no Ama in fighting spirit, and is not Yokozuna's level in power and skill. Needs momentum, and doesn't have any now. Consecutive 8-7 records are not momentum.

    he goes easily better than 98% of rest of sumo. but last 2% is not his. Generally seems to lose lately to anyone ranked at or above his own rank. This is not a good sign.

    Very young, but soon will be 21, and then 22. Needs to get better soon.