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  1. On ‎14‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 03:57, John Gunning said:

    "(Goeido) is also the only ozeki since Tochiazuma to retire at the rank without having been dismissed or demoted." I suppose that's true if you go by the order in which the ozeki were promoted, but of course Kaio, who was promoted before Tochiazuma, retired four years after him at the ozeki rank without facing demotion.

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  2. 2 hours ago, yohcun said:

    I hope Kakuryu can at least show up. I'll be depressed if he has to intai, but even moreso if his last ever bout was falling on his ass.

    I'm sure there'll be at least one more abortive comeback attempt before he succumbs to the inevitable.

  3. 2 hours ago, Yokozuna Hattorizakura said:


    And why Chiyonoumi over Naya? I thought they put a lot of weight on juryo match ups.


    12 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    So I guess the difference in rank between Chiyonoumi and Naya was just too great to justify promoting the one who won their match in Juryo.  Or they just changed their mind about that criteria, which happens often.

  4. I understand Giku wanting a full arena for a danpatsu-shiki, but he doesn't have to remain active for that. He could retire and just postpone it. Time was it was (almost) unthinkable for a former ozeki to compete in juryo, but that seems to have gone now. I don't think he has any chance of getting back in makuuchi even if this latest injury heals. 

  5. 5 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

    Which is, forgive my bluntness, absolutely nuts. Terunofuji was promoted with way less. Back-to-back yusho is hard enough. Zensho yusho is hard enough. Back-to-back zensho yusho is one of the hardest things to achieve in sumo. This century only three men have managed it: Asashoryu, Hakuho and Harumafuji. The latter earned Yokozuna promotion after doing it. There is zero chance a Sekiwake would be denied Ozeki for doing the same. It would make a mockery of the whole ranking system if it’s harder to become an Ozeki than a Yokozuna. They wouldn’t even wait for the 9-6; that Sekiwake would be promoted immediately.

    I think the point you're missing is that the third tournament in an ozeki run is supposed to the culmination of three very good performances. A 9-6 would be a collapse, a choke. It would negate the two previous performances. Whether someone  would be promoted before with the 15-15 is a separate question - they may well do - but I think a 9-6 in any circumstances would be a back to square one situation.

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  6. 1 hour ago, Eikokurai said:

    Asking for double-digits would be incredibly harsh. He has had five KKs in succession, four of them 11+, four in the sanyaku/joi, and with two JYs and potentially one Y in the mix. Setting him 34 wins instead of the usual 33 would be about the meanest thing they could do.

    If Shodai is denied after this tournament double digits in November is absolutely essential. It's inconceivable to win ozeki promotion with a 9-6. 

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  7. 21 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

    I can't help but read a (possibly unintended) swipe at Kotoshogiku in Michinoku oyakata's words.

    I'm sure it was unintended. But I'm not sure how much sway Sadogakake oyakata has in this situation. It's a lot easier to tell a 24 year old in their fourth makuuchi basho what to do than a 36 year old ex-ozeki.

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  8. 3 hours ago, Eikokurai said:

    Let’s take a moment to recognize that Terunofuji has secured a return to sanyaku, so regardless of what happens in the yusho race, this basho still goes down as another chapter in his remarkable comeback story. It will be exactly three years since his last appearance there in Kyushu 2017.

    It's a great story but I always have a nagging feeling that his knees will deteriorate again and he'll start to fall back again. Hopefully I'm wrong and the surgery actually fixed the problem. 

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  9. 1 hour ago, Amamaniac said:

     No one has brought up the monoii called in Shodai's bout versus Daieisho.  I have some strong views about that one, but I don't want to create too much controversy here - hence the spoiler.  

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    In the Shodai versus Daieisho bout, it was quite clear to me that Shodai had won the first time around.  The replay showed that Shodai's foot was still firmly inside the ring when Daieisho's foot left the ground (飛んでる).  Apparently even the gyoji noticed that.  

    But shimpancho, Isegahama, called a monoii review, and ruled for a torinaoshi.  I found that suspicious, because earlier in the day, shimpancho Fujishima ruled in favour of Hidenoumi citing that opponent Nishikifuji's foot left the ground first (which reversed the gyoji's gumbai call).  

    So I asked myself, why hadn't the same principle been followed when it came to the Shodai v. Daieisho bout?  The only explanation I could think of is that Isegahama is using his influence on the Judges Committee to help his deshi, Terunofuji, win the championship.  

    Calling for a torinaoshi meant that Shodai, who is a serious contender in this tournament, had to fight a second time, and could potentially have lost the bout...  It all worked out for Shodai in the end, but having to fight a torinaoshi during a honbasho has two significant effects: (1) the risk of losing after technically winning, and ... 2) being extra tired going into the next day's bout, not to mention the rest of the tournament, where stamina is critical.  

    Of course I am a fan of Isegahama Stable, since that is Harumafuji's old stable.  But I am growing increasingly disturbed by what I see as bias in Isegahama's rulings ever since he was reinstated as shimpancho...

    Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I simply imagining things?


    My initial impression was that the gyoji was correct, and it looks on the replay that Shodai did just stay in bounds, but it was marginal. I think a torinaoshi was a reasonable decision - nothing suspicious about it. 

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  10. 19 minutes ago, Amamaniac said:

    I'd be really interested in knowing when the "matta fine" system first came into effect, and when it was discarded.  Any pundits out there who know?

    It was in late 1991 that it was introduced. I remember Musashimaru, who had just entered makuuchi at the time, saying he had to pay 100,000 yen.

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  11. On 20/09/2020 at 08:50, Amamaniac said:

    I've heard of that policy, but I am not sure how it can be enforced fairly.  Problems:

    (1) lower division wrestlers don't get a salary to speak of, and can hardly afford fines.

    (2) as pointed out by @maorencze, gyoji are sometimes strict and sometimes not.

    (3) wrestlers can be psyched into doing a matta, and so who is really to blame? 

    Anyone know if fines are still in use?


    It never applied to the lower divisions, I think it was just makuuchi but it might have been juryo too.

    They initially solved the problem of who was really to blame by fining BOTH rikishi, but after some complaints that it was unfair they changed it to only fine the rikishi who was called back.

    It's no longer in use. 

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  12. 11 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

    All that could be seen or heard was gyoji Shikimori Koumei's incessant "nokotta, nokotta" reverberating in the empty hall. The rikishi did not budge. "Nokotta, nokotta", he called  in his high-pitched, probably 16 year old voice. For 4 minutes and 26 seconds. Nothing moved. 

    That's the trouble with these rookie gyoji. If he'd just shouted "Hakkeyoi!" like he was supposed to they would have put some spirit into it and finished the match. 


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  13. On ‎07‎/‎09‎/‎2020 at 13:28, rhyen said:

    If we divide the yokozuna by their rope style and rank them by Yusho.

    we get Unryu style: 

    Taiho, Chiyonofuji, Asashoryu, Kitanoumi, Takanohana....

    now, try filling in the blanks for Shiranui

    Hakuho, ... , ... , ... , ...

    We're doing top 5 only? I think it's Tachiyama, Harumafuji, Haguroyama, Tamanoumi.

  14. 20 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

     Gained 14 kilos? I had stuff like my cellphone in my clothes so the weighing wasn't accurate.. I don't feel I put on any weight.

    Yeah, nice try Takakeisho - the average weight of a cell phone is 137 grams or 4.8 ounces. What else did he supposedly have in his pockets...

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  15. 20 hours ago, hakutorizakura said:

    Very cool! Hope it will be available outside Japan at some point.

    I tried to search for the film in English and all that came up was the 1992 film Sumo Do, Sumo Don't. Rather confusing that the titles are so similar...

  16. 10 hours ago, WAKATAKE said:

    Slowest Progress to Sekiwake from Pro Debut (All-Time)

    1. 116 - Aobajo (3/1964~7/1983)
    2. 101 - Tamawashi (1/2004~1/2017) 

    It took Tamawashi 77 career tournaments, not 101. He has only 98 career tournaments as of today. 

  17. 4 hours ago, Ichimawashi said:

    Oddly, after the World Snooker Championships were played down to the semis with no fans, for the two-day final they decided to let them in.  About 60% full, right to row 1, very few wearing masks, many groups of people sitting together.  I was surprised the local health authorities didn’t shut the whole thing down after the first day.

    They DID shut the whole thing down after the first day. The first day of the tournament as a whole, that is. They were spectators for Day 1, because the tournament was one of the few selected sporting events to trial limited spectators - then the government changed their minds. 

  18. I just found it interesting that they're grouped by birth year, as I'd previously assumed they only went by hatsu dohyo, like the famous Class of Haru 1988. Goeido went to high school so made his debut nearly three years after Kisenosato and Kitaharima. 

  19. I was trying to read Kitaharima's Japanese Wikipedia article through Google Translate and it seems that he's part of a group of rikishi born in the period April 1986 to April 1987 (Showa 61), that also includes Kisenosato, Goeido and Myogiryu. This group even has it's own Japanese Wikipedia article ("Flower of... " what?)  I wondered how common this kind of  grouping is, the reasons for it and if it happens in any other context in Japan.