Dante

(In a state of confusion...)

That's probably because I am not talking about religion as such but about people who are so far gone they see 'proof' in everything as you seem to do with yaocho. If you have difficulty with metaphores I will try to refrain from using them in the future!

And that really was the last thing I am going to say about it. Really not worth my time and energy.

It is to demonstrate that if you are looking for a miracle you can see one in every aspect of the world. You seem to be looking for Yaocho in sumo bouts so you are bound to see clues to "prove" it is there. Why you would assume I deny the existence of it is beyond me as I did no such thing but apparently with you it is either black or white.

No and neither can you. That's the whole problem with looking at a fast Sumo match in nearly frame by frame slow motion not only do things happen in a different context when there is enough time to actually think about each and every move that normal lasts a fraction of a second or seeing it as the full blast, speedy, clashing of brute force match that it actually is, but you seem to look for signs of what you believe is bout fixing and obviously if that is the way in which you analyze a bout it will be something you will find. It's like religious nuts looking for and finding Mary's face in baggels or seeing miracles in childbirth. Me I try to take things at face value... Have a look at some of the footage of sumo exhibition matches (e.g. the ones from Vegas) to see what a fixed bout looks like and then look at this match again.

What an arrogance... (I am not worthy...)

you think anyone can challenge hakuho the next days? if it is yaocho or anything else...i think hakuho will take the yusho in a ketteisen....that would top the basho and hakuho still can get his yusho...ama returning the favour.... it is just yet another example of "all are happy in the end"..... And I think this is yet another example of some very paranoid forum visitors. Oh well, I am not putting anymore down than my 2 cents and those are that I feel that Ama has been on a good streak after day 4 and I felt Hakuho was in trouble even before the bout started. That's all for me. I am not letting these allogations ruin it.

I don't buy it. I could see these things as being a possibility had Hakuho not given up the sole lead for Ama to (maybe) become an Ozeki. But now with still 3 fights to go and having him alongside him for the yusho race... Nope I don't buy it.

We can go on like ths all day. We might need a different topic then though ;-)

That's just nitpicking. But I see that real arguments fall on deaf ears now. I will no longer be apart of this discussion indeed.

I see the point and it only adds to the statement I made that the two subjects can and should not be discussed seperately in my opinion. It is a law that is without any real ground or reason behind it (as far as I'm concerned) because of the fact that you cannot lump all drugs tgether on one big pile, call them wrong and legally sell two of the most harmful and least benificial drugs (alcohol and nicotine) at the same time. As I see it: Rikishi uses marihuana, rikishi gets arrested, rikishi gets deported, rikishi gets fired. All the same subject. As I said before I do not mean any dis :-) so I won't bore you people with it any further.

I respectfully disagree. Everytime a Rikishi had trouble with the law up until now there was no ousting from the sport. Be it beating up journalists, damaging cars, fighting in a bar and hurting innocent waitresses in the process otr whichever. However as soon as there is a (indeed harmless) drug involved they react like the wicked witch of the east would to water. I do not understand why this would be reason to point all discussions on this to a different topic not related to the actual incident.... It is definitely not two different discussions by far.

Great way to kill a subject! (Showing respect...) Isn't this relevant to this whole discussion? I don't mean any dis (Showing respect...) but I figured this is all related to the topic is it not?

I agree. You should obey the law (stupid as this law might be) but should you not then you would have to live up to the criminal charges... I don't see why the association would need to punish someone again as if that is truly a necessity... It's pot!!! It's not like were talking sport enhancing opiates here, not like we are talking about steroids!

What a ludacris way of dealing with something as harmless as marijuana, obviously he should have known better and he should have been aware of the repercussions but... OH MY GOD! It's just marijuana not nearly as harmful as alcohol or nicotine (not by a long shot) it is shameful that usage of a plant (that's all it is, nothing more nothing less) should be looked upon as such a crime. It's 2008 people wake up and smell the hash fumes! So bizar that people are still scared of anyone giving himself pleasure when it is not the taxed drugs they are using. Cannabis is used as a medicine for pain releavement in cancer and leukemia patients and this treatment works so well even the USA uses it(!) But be caught with some MJ on you in Japan and you are banned from your sport for life. I am astonished... Might be that the fact that I can legally buy it two minutes from my home (and have done so quite often in the past) is making me somewhat of an expert on the subject even...