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  1. Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2017

    Juryo yusho race: 8-4 Aminishiki, Kotoyuki, Ryuden, Homarefuji 7-5 Daiamami, Kyokushuho, Meisei, Chiyootori, Chiyonoo, Abi, Terutsuyoshi, Daiseido 6-6 (6) Juryo rikishi sharing the lead are 10-21 in their next-day bouts this basho (not counting head-to-head meetings), and Ryuden became part of the right-hand number today, losing to Daiamami. 3 of the 4 pursuers did manage to win and moved up into shared first place again, with Homarefuji making his first appearance atop the leaderboard. I wouldn't bet on any of them actually finishing the basho 11-4, so the also re-enlarged chase group probably still has a shot. We've got direct matchups aplenty tomorrow, in any case. Three different pairings of an 8-4 with a 7-5, namely Kotoyuki-Chiyonoo, Ryuden-Daiseido and Homarefuji-Meisei, and also two straight clashes of 7-5's in Daiamami-Chiyootori and Kyokushuho-Terutsuyoshi. The odd men out are co-leader Aminishiki who has been placed against 6-6 Hidenoumi, and co-pursuer Abi who meets 4-8 Toyohibiki. Lower division yusho races: 6-0 Ms14e Mitoryu (Nishikido) 6-0 Ms49w Kagamio (Kagamiyama) 6-0 Sd18w Enho (Miyagino) 6-0 Sd71w Tanabe (Kise) 6-0 Sd82e Matsuda (Minezaki) 6-0 Jd34e Tokuda (Musashigawa) 6-0 Jd63e Narutaki (Isenoumi) 6-0 Jd84e Hokuyozan (Tatsunami) 6-0 Jk25w Shoji (Musashigawa) Boooring! They've gone with the straight-up choices for the entire slate. I'm hoping against hope that Kagamio can upset his much bigger and younger compatriot, but I'm afraid the outcome will be a clear victory the other way, paving the way for a 7-0 promotion from down low over an arguably more deserving top-ranker. Former Kanazawa Gakuin training partners Enho and Tanabe are meeting in regulation for third straight tournament, and the first two were pretty decisive in Enho's favour. Maybe Tanabe has learned to keep low and guarded enough to not allow Enho to get in for the hip/thigh push-out, but I suspect not. Either way, I think this will be a straight sandanme yusho decider as I'd rate Tokuda as the favourite for the cross-divisional bout against Matsuda. Should that come to pass we'll get the playoff in jonidan instead, and I won't venture a guess who'd be the other participant, as Narutaki-Hokuyozan is probably the most open bout of this 6-0 session. And finally it's Shoji against 5-1 Imai, who's holding down the very last spot in jonidan this basho, 107 West. It's the first time in his 8-basho career that Imai has 5 wins to begin with (2x 4-3, five makekoshi), and I doubt it's going to become a 6-win basho for him now. But as always, everything can (and probably will) go completely different.
  2. A bit early, but with this tournament... Day 8 (results, text-only results): kyujo Hakuho Y1 Harumafuji 5-3 kyujo Kisenosato Y2 Kakuryu kyujo 1-2-5 Takayasu O1 Goeido 7-1 (x) 1-5-2 Terunofuji O2 Nearly half the sanyaku are out this tournament, with all of the bloodbath having come among the yokozuna and ozeki. Harumafuji and Goeido have been doing their best to maintain control over the basho, but neither has looked completely convincing. Then again, the lower sanyaku haven't either. None of the sekiwake and komusubi have scored better than 4-4 so far, but they're all nominally above-average in the remaining "top" 16 schedule so at least 3 kachikoshi wouldn't be surprising at all. Add in Terunofuji dropping down to sekiwake following consecutive tournament withdrawals, and we could have the rather absurd situation that the upper-ranked maegashira are performing better than ever, but there's no space to put them at all. At any rate, Onosho at 7-1 (co-leading the yusho and looking good doing it) and Chiyotairyu at 6-2 have been out in front in the chase for sanyaku promotions, but lots can still change here during week two. Daishomaru way down in double-digits is the other maegashira to sport a 1-loss record, but I doubt anyone considers him too much of a yusho threat. 4-4 Mitakeumi S Yoshikaze 4-4 3-5 Tamawashi K Tochiozan 2-6 1-7 Tochinoshin M1 Kotoshogiku 4-4 4-4 Hokutofuji M2 7-1 Onosho M3 Chiyotairyu 6-2 4-4 Shohozan M4 4-4 Shodai M5 Takakeisho 5-3 5-3 Ichinojo M6 5-3 Chiyonokuni M7 Ikioi 3-5 M8 Takarafuji 5-3 6-2 Takanoiwa M9 Arawashi 6-2 M10 6-2 Daieisho M11 7-1 Daishomaru M12 Only 8 possible intra-sanyaku matchups remain at this point. 2 of them will certainly be set for senshuraku (Harumafuji-Goeido and the sekiwake pairing), and I think they're just going to distribute the other 6 as one bout apiece for each schedule between Days 9 and 14, likely with Harumafuji's matches taking the 12/13/14 slots and Goeido's the 10/11. Alternatively, they could jumble up Harumafuji's opponent order a bit (normally it's done in ascending ranks), so as to put both Harumafuji-Yoshikaze and Goeido-Mitakeumi on Day 14. Not much to say about the avoiding-demotion-to-juryo race yet, although Tokushoryu's all-around terrible basho and Sadanoumi's delayed start have already marked them as prime candidates to miss the finishing line. Yutakayama hasn't looked so hot in his second go at makuuchi, either, but at least he's got a fighting chance this time - his debut in May never got out of the blocks at all and the demotion was virtually sealed by Day 8. The juryo division looks pretty pedestrian again with no clear frontrunners, and at this point everybody needs at least a 4-3 finish to make it into the promotion queue. But overall it's way, way, way too early to make any predictions here. M2 Aoiyama 0-1-7 (?) M3 M4 Ura 1-2-5 (?) M5 M6 Kagayaki 1-7 (2) M7 Ikioi 3-5 (1) (1) 3-5 Chiyoshoma M8 M9 (3) 2-6 Ishiura M10 Takekaze 2-6 (3) M11 Chiyomaru 4-4 (2) M12 Sadanoumi 0-3-5 (6) (3) 3-5 Nishikigi M13 Kaisei 4-4 (3) (2) 5-3 Endo M14 Okinoumi 4-4 (3) (6) 1-7 Tokushoryu M15 Yutakayama 3-5 (5) (3) 5-3 Asanoyama M16 --- (6) 2-6 Sokokurai J1 Myogiryu 4-4 (4) (4) 5-3 Aminishiki J2 Azumaryu 3-5 (6) (5) 4-4 Daiamami J3 Kotoyuki 5-3 (4) (6) 4-4 Kyokutaisei J4 Toyohibiki 4-4 (6) (5) 5-3 Ryuden J5 Yamaguchi 4-4 (6) (7) 4-4 Kyokushuho J6 Homarefuji 4-4 (7) (6) 5-3 Hidenoumi J7 Gagamaru 3-5 (~) J8 Meisei 4-4 (~) (~) 4-4 Amakaze J9 J10 Chiyootori 6-2 (7) (~) 5-3 Chiyonoo J11 Abi 5-3 (~) I've straight question-marked Aoiyama and Ura as I would be very surprised to see them demoted, even though both technically need one more win to be safe. Aoiyama can (and probably will) get that win at some point, of course, while injured Ura is at the mercy of the banzuke committee at this point. Still, I expect there to be enough demotions from lower down and probably not a huge amount of candidates from juryo. (Even if Ura can't actually fight in November, being ranked bottom of the maegashira rather than top of the juryo would be a major advantage as to his subsequent January ranking, at the very least.) And lower juryo presents us with another table overstuffed with shikona. (In case you were ever wondering why I prefer to only start up these threads after 10 days...) At this point, basically the entire bottom half of the division have yet to secure their ranking for the next basho, but several rikishi do look very good needing just one more win. Not looking so good is 1-7 Kitaharima, who will probably end up having the 5th one-basho juryo stint of his career. The biggest story brewing, however, and nobody can tell me otherwise (!), is that of the reigning king of the one-basho juryo stints: In his 7th appearance in the division, Kizenryu stands at 6-2 and looks to be on course for his first ever kachikoshi. The closest he ever got before was a 6-6 record in Haru 2015, which ended up as a 6-9. Anyway, outside of Kitaharima we currently find three main candidates for demotion, all needing 4 more victories: Small-sized Terutsuyoshi, who's been flirting with disaster in nearly every tournament since debuting in January, Osunaarashi and his sadly broken-down body, and somewhat surprisingly rookie Yago who won the makushita yusho last time out but has struggled a bit up here so far. The other debutant Daiseido has been enjoying a much more successful first sekitori week and sports 6 wins already. The race in makushita is wide open as always at this stage of the tournament, but the contenders in the top six positions have all been making a decent case for promotion so far, with no negative records among them. Masunosho is the one top-ranker to have started 4-0 and is eyeing the potential sekitori debut. This basho's wildcard from lower down comes in the hefty form of Mitoryu, the big Mongolian tsukedashi entrant from May. J7 Gagamaru 3-5 (1) (2) 3-5 Tsurugisho J8 Meisei 4-4 (1) (1) 4-4 Amakaze J9 Kotoeko 3-5 (2) (4) 2-6 Osunaarashi J10 (1) 5-3 Chiyonoo J11 Abi 5-3 (1) (6) 1-7 Kitaharima J12 Seiro 4-4 (3) (4) 3-5 Terutsuyoshi J13 Yago 3-5 (4) (2) 6-2 Daiseido J14 Kizenryu 6-2 (2) 2-2 Takagenji Ms1 Kitataiki 2-2 3-1 Tobizaru Ms2 Tochihiryu 2-2 4-0 Masunosho Ms3 Kizaki 3-1 1-3 Kotodaigo Ms4 Akiseyama 1-3 3-1 Daishoho Ms5 Shimanoumi 3-1 ... 4-0 Mitoryu Ms14 Crucial match between the Ms1's Takagenji and Kitataiki tomorrow, and the zensho promotion situation may see its resolution in the scheduled Masunosho-Mitoryu matchup. Tobizaru and Kizaki are also facing off, with kachikoshi on the line. Explanation of symbols used: numbers = wins needed until favourable outcome (getting promoted / not getting demoted) o = favourable outcome achieved x = favourable outcome definitely missed ~ = favourable outcome missed "by the numbers", but still achievable through banzuke luck
  3. Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2017

    Day 12 (results, text-only results): kyujo Hakuho Y1 Harumafuji 8-4 kyujo Kisenosato Y2 Kakuryu kyujo 1-2-9 Takayasu O1 Goeido 10-2 Okay, who accidentally used the juryo storybook for the top division today? In all seriousness though - looking oddly tense throughout, Goeido's hectic mix of pushing and pulling wasn't enough to turn over Shohozan, and he left the day with his second loss of the basho. Lucky for him none of the three pursuers did any better, with especially Chiyotairyu looking pretty bad against Kotoshogiku. No less than 7 rikishi collected their kachikoshi today, making for a suddenly 10-strong 8-4 group hoping to chase down the leader from two behind. Among them is yokozuna Harumafuji, but he has arguably (and admirably) served his role for this basho now, helping the Kyokai avoid the first no-yokozuna tournament days in over 10 years, and it remains to be seen how hard he's going to go into his last three bouts. Also KK now: sekiwake Yoshikaze, who will extend his current sanyaku stint to 4 tournaments in Kyushu and be sekiwake back-to-back for the second time in his career. Mitakeumi took a crucial step towards maintaining the rank as well by avoiding his 7th loss against Shodai. Both komusubi do have 5-7 records now, Tamawashi after losing to Harumafuji and Tochiozan after defeating Ichinojo, but one can't rule them out, considering only maegashira opponents are still to come for both. Kotoshogiku's 8th victory now makes it very likely that he'll be staging a return to sanyaku, should any slot open up, and if he can win twice more I imagine he'll force his way in regardless. Onosho and Chiyotairyu may find themselves on the outside looking in despite their first-week festivities. (x) 1-5-6 Terunofuji O2 6-6 Mitakeumi S Yoshikaze 8-4 5-7 Tamawashi K Tochiozan 5-7 M1 Kotoshogiku 8-4 (x) 4-8 Hokutofuji M2 8-4 Onosho M3 Chiyotairyu 8-4 6-6 Shohozan M4 (x) 5-7 Shodai M5 Takakeisho 7-5 (x) 6-6 Ichinojo M6 (x) 6-6 Chiyonokuni M7 Ikioi 6-6 (x) M8 Takarafuji 7-5 (x) 8-4 Takanoiwa M9 Arawashi 8-4 It's Takakeisho for Goeido tomorrow, which could well end up as another dangerous battle for the leader as Takakeisho is capable of overwhelming just about everybody if things click for him in a bout. And in the musubi no ichiban we'll get Harumafuji against Yoshikaze, which tends to be a fun matchup. The bubble list in the lower maegashira ranks is slowly thinning out as guys either secure their ranking or pick up a definite demotion. The plus side of the ledger was filled by veterans Kaisei and Takekaze today - the latter sending Tokushoryu to his 10th loss, which now makes any survival impossible for the Kise-beya rikishi. The hot seat was immediately refilled again, though, courtesy of Yutakayama falling to makekoshi. Other action of the day saw Okinoumi helping himself by beating yusho-contending Takanoiwa, Ishiura finally finding a beatable opponent in suddenly struggling Daishomaru (4th straight loss from 7-1), and Nishikigi arguably losing twice to Chiyoshoma. The juryo crowd is slooowly making its way towards promotable records to fill all those slots that have been opening up. Aminishiki and Kotoyuki clinched kachikoshi today and remain in the virtual lead of the promotion queue. Ryuden lost his spot for now, however, and also had to yield his place atop the yusho race with a loss to Daiamami. And last not least both Myogiryu and Homarefuji were also successful and can continue to hope for a trip to the top division. Homarefuji is riding a 5-day winning streak and has moved himself up to 8-4 after his 0-3 start. M4 Ura 1-2-9 (?) ... (2) 3-9 Ishiura M10 Takekaze 5-7 (o) M11 M12 Sadanoumi 0-7-5 (x) (1) 5-7 Nishikigi M13 Kaisei 7-5 (o) M14 Okinoumi 6-6 (1) (x) 2-10 Tokushoryu M15 Yutakayama 4-8 (~) M16 --- J1 Myogiryu 6-6 (2) (1) 8-4 Aminishiki J2 Azumaryu 4-8 (x) (2) 7-5 Daiamami J3 Kotoyuki 8-4 (1) (x) 5-7 Kyokutaisei J4 (2) 8-4 Ryuden J5 Yamaguchi 5-7 (x) (~) 7-5 Kyokushuho J6 Homarefuji 8-4 (3) (x) 6-6 Hidenoumi J7 Kotoeko and Seiro had a would-be safety playoff today, won by the slender Sadogatake guy, but with the nebulous makushita situation I'm not going to declare him safe just yet - see the Natsu 2013 case detailed above for how things could still turn out. Gagamaru finally won one again after three losses in a row, and finds himself in the same limbo situation. (Did I just use Gagamaru and limbo in the same sentence?) And we're still not done as Terutsuyoshi was also victorious but can't quite be sure to stay either. Elsewhere the day brought losses all around for Osunaarashi, Kitaharima, Yago and Daiseido, capped by Kizenryu's unfortunate injury withdrawal. Off-day for high makushita again, but they arguably had a good day anyway as the overall situation looks a little bit more bleak for the juryo incumbents now. J7 Gagamaru 4-8 (?) J8 J9 Kotoeko 5-7 (?) (2) 4-8 Osunaarashi J10 J11 (3) 4-8 Kitaharima J12 Seiro 6-6 (1) (?) 7-5 Terutsuyoshi J13 Yago 5-7 (2) (1) 7-5 Daiseido J14 Kizenryu 6-6 (2) 4-2 Takagenji Ms1 Kitataiki 3-3 4-2 Tobizaru Ms2 5-1 Masunosho Ms3 Kizaki 3-3 Ms4 Akiseyama 3-3 4-2 Daishoho Ms5 Shimanoumi 4-2 ... 6-0 Mitoryu Ms14 Kizenryu's exit means we're needing a mandatory fill-in again each day, and Tobizaru gets the honours first. He's been placed in the most sensible matchup and will have the opportunity to pull Kitaharima back down to the unpaid ranks. Whether it'll be enough to earn promotion himself is a different matter though. Takagenji and Daishoho won't be sent up as they're already meeting head-to-head tomorrow, and it looks like Masunosho and Shimanoumi are also pencilled in for makushita opponents. That should mean that the Day 14 and 15 visitors will be two out of Kitataiki, Kizaki and Akiseyama. In addition juryo sees Osunaarashi and Gagamaru matched up tomorrow, while all the rest will be forced to deal with upper-juryo opponents.
  4. Videos -Wacky Aki 2017- Promo and Days 1-12

    Macrons have the issue that people unfamiliar with them will make all sorts of (wrong) assumptions about what they mean, and IMHO that's a bigger problem than people pronouncing vowels with incorrect length. They're fine in a dedicated forum like here, or on Wikipedia where accurate representation of information is important, but for casual sumo fandom I feel the Kyokai's choice of the simplified romanization is perfectly okay. Either way, I think we're all agreed that it's a good thing that they at least don't use kunrei romanization...
  5. Trivia bits

    (Spoiler warning: Includes result of the current basho.) Straight kachikoshi after opening losing streak (exactly 8 straight wins unless otherwise noted): from 0-7 1951.01 M2e Tochinishiki from 0-6 1959.03 M4w Kitabayama 1984.05 J10e Wakasegawa 2008.03 M8w Tochinonada from 0-5 never been done from 0-4 1953.05 J12e Dewanohana (11) 1982.03 M5e Kirinji (11) 1992.11 S1w Takahanada (9) 2003.01 M10e Tochinonada (11) 2008.07 M2e Asasekiryu 2017.09 Sw Yoshikaze from 0-3 1950.05 J8e Kiryugawa 1956.03 J5e Yasome (10) 1958.03 M5w Annenyama 1964.11 M7e Wakachichibu 1964.11 J13e Hanahikari (12) 1965.05 M4e Myobudani (10) 1965.11 M11w Daishin 1970.03 J2w Katsuhikari (9) 1973.11 M6e Kitaseumi 1983.07 J9e Jingaku 1993.05 J11w Tochitenko 1994.07 K2w Takatoriki 1999.03 J4e Dewaarashi 1999.05 J1w Wakanoyama (10) 2002.11 J6e Kasugao (10) 2003.03 J1w Yotsukasa 2008.05 M6w Hokutoriki (9) 2010.09 M14w Tamawashi 2012.03 J4e Asahisho (9) 2012.05 M11e Shotenro
  6. Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2017

    Welcome to LKS edition number 50! Many thanks to everyone who has stuck with us throughout the years. Sadly the Nagoya results mean we're playing this one with one of the shortest decks in recent history, but on the upside it does look like a very interesting collection of rikishi if I may say so. Here's the ballot: 1. Asanoyama 9* 2. Kizaki 8* 3. Abi 5 4. Kotodaigo 5 5. Chiyosakae 5 6. Takayasu 4 [score?] 7. Mitakeumi 4 [score?] 8. Yoshikaze 4 [score?] 9. Onosho 4 10. Meisei 4 TB: [pick?] (* marks rikishi with no makekoshi since debut) The scoring and thus your game assignment: For sanyaku: Please predict an exact record for each rikishi. The target record will be calculated after the deadline and will be chosen so that it bisects the predictions as evenly as possible. The predictions will then be converted into + and - votes as usual; one point for each correct prediction. For lower-ranked rikishi: Please predict for each rikishi if he will finish KK or MK; one point for each correct prediction. (For clarification: If you're expecting an outright makekoshi for one of the sanyaku high-rankers, just predict MK, exact records are only needed on the kachikoshi side of things.) First tie-breaker: From among those 10 guys up there and the further 4 rikishi who are currently just shy of a 5-KK streak, please guess how many KK you expect in total. Your tie-breaker guess may be anything from 0 to 14. Only exactly correct guesses qualify at this tie-breaker stage. Note: Sanyaku count as correct for the tie-breaker if they achieve KK, they do not need to meet their target records. Next 9 tie-breakers if needed: Correctly predicted rikishi, one-by-one in ballot order, i.e. starting at Asanoyama. Extra tie-breakers, should two or more players have entered identical ballots: Proximity of their tie-breaker guesses to the correct number, followed by proximity of their sanyaku rikishi guesses to the correct records (one-by-one in ballot order). Final tie-breaker: earliest entry. Note: Rikishi who show up on the before-shonichi kyujo list will be excluded from scoring (even if they end up joining the basho later), so it is not necessary to re-submit your entry if you picked such a rikishi as a KK; he will not count for points anyhow. You may, however, notify me if you'd like to reduce your tie-breaker guess by one point to compensate for the "missing" rikishi. Your position on the entry list (for final tie-breaker purposes) will be deemed unchanged in this special situation. Any other changes to a ballot will be considered a new entry, with correspondingly lower priority for the final tie-breaker. Deadline: Shonichi noon JST.
  7. Sansho Speculation

    Either way, I reckon Asanoyama is gonna need 11 wins, because 3-3 start -> no good. And Onosho might have the inside track on either the kanto-sho or even the gino-sho, for the opposite reason (hot start at 6-1 and previously even the sole leader at 5-0).
  8. Videos -Wacky Aki 2017- Promo and Days 1-12

    My favourite remains an indignant SML post a few years ago, by somebody who discovered that HĊchiyama in fact isn't pronounced Ho-uchi-yama despite seeing it spelled Houchiyama all the time. Every romanization has its downsides.
  9. Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2017

    And after a closer look - the yusho decision is in fact down to the current two leaders already. Their entries differ on two of the last four remaining slots, which makes it difficult for other players to catch up to both of them. (If they catch Pandaazuma they'll trail kuroimori, and vice versa.) Only Tenshinhan can still tie with both, but he would at best lose a bracket playoff to kuroimori on today's freshly decided Onosho KK.
  10. Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2017

    Day 12: Today's scoring was led by Onosho's kachikoshi-clinching 8th win, an outcome predicted by less than half of us. In addition we also find Yoshikaze at KK now (but one more win needed to meet his target score), as well as Hokaho in the backup squad, who will now be getting to join the ballot for Kyushu. The Onosho KK has had a significant effect on the LKS yusho race, as only 2 of the 4 leaders and also just 2 of the 4 pursuers had it correct: Day 12: 6/10 Decisions, TB 6-10 Pos Player Pts TB 1 kuroimori 6 7 2 Pandaazuma 6 9 3 Tenshinhan 5 7 4 Mmikasazuma 5 8 5 Sakura 5 9 6 Holleshoryu 5 10 7 Ryoshishokunin 4 9 8 chishafuwaku 4 5 9 Gurowake 3 7 10 Asashosakari 3 8 11 Jejima 3 9 12 Profomisakari 3 12 13 Achiyama 2 8 13 Burajirotono 2 8 13 ryafuji 2 8 16 WAKATAKE 2 9 17 Tsubame 2 10
  11. Re-used shikona

    It depends. As Gaijingai said, sometimes it's only an identical reading, but different kanji. For instance, the DB has records of 6 rikishi all named Tochinosato, but a switch to the Japanese view shows that these were actually 4 different shikona being used. A very recent case has been Hokutoryu (retirement of the old one in March, name change of the new one in July), which have different "ryu" kanji. On the other hand, there are some shikona that are just very generic in their composition, and as long as nobody manages to make a real name for himself under one of them, they'll get re-used over and over. Chiyonishiki or Azumayama, to pick a couple at random. In rare cases there might even be a story to it, e.g. the new wearer of the name being from the same hometown as the previous one or whatever, but normally it's simply because the shikona isn't anything special and the stablemaster just felt like using it again. And last not least a lot of the repeat shikona are simply the rikishi's normal surnames, e.g. Tanaka, which are just used for convenience for a short time, or because certain stables don't want to hand out "real" shikona until a guy has been active for a while or has reached a particular rank. Shikona that were "custom-made" for a rikishi (unusual readings, unusual kanji choices) are normally off-limits to reuse, but that's largely because most such shikona only get used by sekitori in the first place, and rikishi of that status are usually prominent enough that the shikona will come to be identified with them specifically. And of course, more generally speaking, a shikona that is very unusual is also less likely to be re-used anyway, simply because it's unusual.
  12. Videos -Wacky Aki 2017- Promo and Days 1-12

    I believe the commonly accepted phrasing is "my future ex-wife".
  13. Basho Talk - Aki 2017 (SPOILERS)

    Kotoyuki-esque left hand by Goeido during the tachiai, after those multiple matta.
  14. Rikishi Status Aki 2017 - Day 13 w/d & return

    5 rikishi newly joining the basho for Day 13 seems to be a new record; I can't find any prior basho with more than 4.
  15. Sumo Reference Updates

    This is an odd one. Jonokuchi in 1962.03 had three 6-1's as the top score, but one of the yusho-doten and a playoff bout are attached to a guy who was 0-0-7, while one of the 6-1's is left out.
  16. I don't know if this works in general, but on a hunch I just tried to get rid of auto-stored text by logging out of my forum account and signing back in, and it actually did the trick.
  17. Tochiozan versus Tochiozan would be an interesting solution to the first-soroibumi-bout conundrum in a few days, though.
  18. Basho Talk - Aki 2017 (SPOILERS)

    ^ And from the very next post in that thread: Everything old is new again!
  19. Videos -Wacky Aki 2017- Promo and Days 1-12

    Most sports don't have okuri techniques available for winning...
  20. Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2017

    Just for reference, that Natsu 2013 mess looked like this after 12 days: (1) 3-9 Sagatsukasa J7 J8 Tanzo 3-9 (2) J9 J10 (1) 5-7 Kizenryu J11 Kimurayama 3-9 (3) (1) 6-6 Kitaharima J12 Chiyoarashi 6-6 (1) (2) 5-7 Akiseyama J13 (2) 6-6 Chiyoo J14 4-2 Seiro Ms1 Yoshiazuma 4-2 3-3 Sakigake Ms2 Kotomisen 3-3 4-2 Endo Ms3 Ms4 Arawashi 3-3 4-2 Chiyomaru Ms5 Ms6 6-0 Osunaarashi Ms7 Osunaarashi was put against J13 Akiseyama and duly won that match to finish 7-0. Things ended up with three regular and three over-demotions: (xx) 4-11 Sagatsukasa J7 J8 J9 J10 (xx) 6-9 Kizenryu J11 Kimurayama 3-12 (x) (x) 6-9 Kitaharima J12 (xx) 7-8 Akiseyama J13 (x) 7-8 Chiyoo J14 (o) 5-2 Seiro Ms1 Yoshiazuma 4-3 (o) Ms2 Kotomisen 4-3 (o) (o) 5-2 Endo Ms3 Ms4 5-2 Chiyomaru Ms5 Ms6 (o) 7-0 Osunaarashi Ms7 (If you're wondering why it's 6 down and only 5 up - they also had to find space for Sokokurai who was reinstated in makuuchi on the next banzuke. And ironically, that was the only time in his 6 attempts when Kizenryu would have deserved to stay in juryo based on his record...)
  21. Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2017

    Juryo yusho race: 8-3 Ryuden 7-4 Aminishiki, Kotoyuki, Homarefuji, Daiseido 6-5 (a cast of thousands eleven) At this point it will not come as any sort of surprise that only one of the three leaders managed to tack on another win. Ryuden is the fortunate one who collected juryo's first kachikoshi of the basho, and he has become the third rikishi to hold a solo pole position this month, following Kizenryu on Day 4 and Chiyootori on Day 7. The pursuer group was dismantled in even more impressive fashion, with just 2 (!) winners out of 8. Aminishiki and Homarefuji lucked out here, and join losing ex-leaders Kotoyuki and Daiseido in second place. Aminishiki and Daiseido are meeting tomorrow, so at least one guy will remain tethered to the leader even if Ryuden wins again tomorrow in his bout against 6-5 Daiamami. The other two 7-4's Kotoyuki and Homarefuji are facing a pair of 4-7 rikishi in Toyohibiki and Kitaharima. A few of the 6-5's are also squaring off, so that group might get whittled down to the point that I can actually be bothered to list the third tier guys by name for the first time. (Or perhaps not. It's going to be 8-4 / 7-5 / 6-6 tomorrow, isn't it...?) Lower division yusho races (Day 11 results and video): 6-0 Ms14e Mitoryu (Nishikido) 5-1 Ms20e Tochimaru (Kasugano) 5-1 Ms39w Irodori (Shikoroyama) 6-0 Ms49w Kagamio (Kagamiyama) 6-0 Sd18w Enho (Miyagino) 5-1 Sd20w Honda (Nishikido) 5-1 Sd44e Sadanosato (Sakaigawa) 6-0 Sd71w Tanabe (Kise) 6-0 Sd82e Matsuda (Minezaki) 5-1 Sd95e Ginseizan (Otake) 5-1 Jd16w Teraoumi (Shikoroyama) 6-0 Jd34e Tokuda (Musashigawa) 5-1 Jd46e Yoshimura (Dewanoumi) 6-0 Jd63e Narutaki (Isenoumi) 6-0 Jd84e Hokuyozan (Tatsunami) 5-1 Jd89e Toseima (Tamanoi) 5-1 Jk1w Fukuazuma (Tamanoi) 6-0 Jk25w Shoji (Musashigawa) Tough one for the schedulers. Bringing his record to 6-0, Mitoryu has moved himself into immediate contention for a promotion to juryo, but unlike most recent lower-rank zensho challenges, this one comes with a top 5 promotion zone that's already chock-full with other credible promotion candidates. They've been very averse to breaking up the normal 6-0 vs 6-0 yusho deciders in recent years (they last did in Natsu 2013), but this time they almost have to, IMHO. But either way, an impressive showing by Kagamio who has got to 6-0 in makushita for the second time in the last 6 basho now. A different issue exists in sandanme with its three contenders, those being the largely expectable Enho and Tanabe plus surprise contender Matsuda. (Although his opponent Ginseizan wouldn't have been any less surprising at 6-0.) The straight-up scheduling would give us Enho-Tanabe and the cross-divisional Matsuda-Tokuda here, but with a rank difference of >50 for both prospective matchups they might well decide to do things differently. I'm not sure at all which way they'll go, but I'm putting my two cents on Tanabe-Matsuda and a 5-1 opponent for Enho. (I'd like two-time makushita yusho winner Higoarashi who's ranked Sd5e, although he'd still need to get to 5-1 tomorrow in the first place.) That whole thing will have knock-on effects on the jonidan race, which I daresay saw wins by the three more interesting contenders. Tokuda and Narutaki are both relatively fresh on the scene, and Hokuyozan was at least the younger side of his 5-0 bout. The rank differences are much better distributed here, so both Tokuda-Narutaki (with a 5-1 for Hokuyozan) and Narutaki-Hokuyozan (with Tokuda against a 5-1, or maybe 6-0 Matsuda from sandanme) would make sense. And down in jonokuchi it was the expected cakewalk for Shoji against Fukuazuma, who has yet to KK above jonidan 85 in his (admittedly not very long) career. Shoji is probably getting the usual coin toss choice from among the available low jonidan 5-1's next, and he's almost certainly winning that. On the other hand, a more inspired choice might be to put him against Hokuyozan (who should be of at least low-sandanme quality), but that's not usually how they roll.
  22. Videos -Wacky Aki 2017- Promo and Days 1-12

    Some Day 11 stuff. Another rare finish: Better bring some time for this one. Spoiler if you have to know: And everybody's getting into that "come from behind loss" trend pioneered by Ishiura.
  23. Persistence Watch - 2017 edition

    Some more summarizing after Day 12, but I just wanted to highlight that Wada did it on Day 10 (and in a very impressive bout, too): Congrats to our graduate!
  24. Persistence Watch - 2017 edition

    (2016 here) Standings through the first week of the new persistence year: Shikona Heya Debut MK Current Rank Highest Rank Record Win% Last Basho This Basho Kyonosato Isenoumi Haru 2015 10 Jonokuchi 3 West Jonokuchi 1 23-53 0.303 3-4 2-2 Oatari Shikihide Haru 2015 10 Jonokuchi 4 East Jonidan 99 24-50 0.324 3-4 2-2 Hattorizakura Shikihide Aki 2015 8 Jonokuchi 18 West Jonokuchi 18 1-51-1 0.019 0-7 0-4 Satoiazuma Tamanoi Kyushu 2014 5 Banzuke-gai Jonidan 100 11-24-7 0.314 Bg Bg Shunpo Minezaki Haru 2016 5 Jonokuchi 3 East Jonokuchi 3 11-21 0.344 3-4 0-4 Miura Asakayama Haru 2016 4 Jonokuchi 7 West Jonokuchi 7 8-19-5 0.296 2-5 2-2 Wada Azumazeki Haru 2016 4 Jonokuchi 9 East Jonokuchi 4 10-22 0.313 1-6 1-3 Sawanofuji Isegahama Haru 2016 4 Jonokuchi 10 East Jonokuchi 10 5-27 0.156 1-6 1-3 Oatari won the Day 1 matchup of our two newly dai-persisting members at the top of the list, en route to their matching 2-2 records. All in all it doesn't look too likely that we'll be seeing any graduations this time. In addition, our sole applicant of the basho, Kawaguchi from Shikihide-beya (who'd have thought?), has also started winless and is already set to join us next time.
  25. Promotion/Demotion and Yusho discussion Aki 2017

    D'oh, I misread his record as 5-6. Thanks, corrected.