Asashosakari

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    Takagenji Caught Smoking Weed

    I'm pretty sure there was at least one dismissed / "voluntarily" retired rikishi in the past where the prosecutor specifically didn't press charges because they felt him losing his job in sumo was punishment enough.
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    Sumo Head In Kashmir Is Killed

    The ever-present dangers of indiscriminate linkdumping.
  3. There's a collegiate tournament coming up in Saitama tomorrow, and I guess it's some sort of makeshift replacement for circuit events that were cancelled earlier in the year; unlike regularly scheduled tournaments this one doesn't even get the courtesy of an "nth edition" marker on the Federation schedule. I'm not sure how long ago the tournament first appeared on there, and in any case it seems to have flown completely under the radar since then - when I googled for the tournament name yesterday, I found exactly two mentions of it all around the internet, both from the Federation website...the HTML and PDF versions of their schedule page. In the last few hours they at least added further information to notify that the event is set to be streamed by them on Youtube. Starts at 10 JST, no idea of the format (just individual or also team, straight knockout or with qualifying rounds).
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    Hakuho retires

    The whole "they just hate Hakuho because he's Mongolian" claim is, frankly, more than a little racist itself. I'm sure Hakuho appreciates being reduced to that aspect of his character and humanity by his alleged fans, who just can't imagine that anything else might play a role in how the Kyokai brass see him...
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    Trivia bits

    Trivial answer: In every other basho since Natsu 1949. Of course the question I suppose you're getting at is how many "close" cases there were that went the other way. Not as easy to answer since there's no clear way to produce an exhaustive list. (And I suppose this is the trivia thread and not the GTB advice thread anyway...) The linked tournaments are a good basis for study anyway, since often there were other, only slightly higher ranked maegashira KK who didn't get passed.
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    Retirees after Aki 2021

    Via Nikkan in the absence of official Kyokai communication so far. 13 retirements have been announced, including those already effective at an earlier date by former sekitori Sagatsukasa and Ryuko, but not Hakuho's yet. The other 11: Ayanoumi (Yamahibiki) Genki (Onomatsu) Tosaeizan (Onomatsu) Kaibusho (Asakayama) - link Kotokogyoku (Sadogatake) Aishoryu (Onomatsu) Azumahikari (Tamanoi) Shuneikai (Shikoroyama) Sadanoryu (Sakaigawa) Shonanzakura (Shikihide) - link Sano (Asakayama) banzuke-gai Kotokogyoku was the only active rikishi among these in Aki basho and went out with a 4-3 kachikoshi. Shuneikai only changed his shikona from Onagaya ahead of the Nagoya tournament but sat out both that one and Aki, and so he never got to fight under the new name. Undersized Genki had made some early waves under his real name of Takemasa, KK'ing in his first seven tournaments to go up all the way to the single-digit makushita ranks, but the wall hit hard and afterwards he seemed to be picking up injuries (at least I seem to recall him quite bandaged at various times) that precluded further advancement.
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    Trivia bits

    Maegashira with records of 9-6 or better getting passed by juryo promotees, since 1949.05 (in brackets: lowest M rank; basho date in red = 10-5 involved): 1958.01 (M21w) 2005.09 (M17w) 2012.03 (M16w) M20w 9-6 -> M16w M15e 9-6 -> M10w M16e 9-6 -> M11e M21w 9-6 -> M17w J1w 14-1 -> M8w J1e 11-4 -> M10w J3e 13-2 -> M16e 1958.09 (M22w) 2006.01 (M17e) 2012.05 (M16e) M19e 9-6 -> M15e M17e 9-6 -> M14w M16e 9-6 -> M10w M20e 9-6 -> M17w J1e 13-2 -> M12w J2w 12-3 -> M10e J1e 14-1 -> M13w 1995.05 (M16e) 2006.11 (M15w) 2012.11 (M16e) M14e 9-6 -> M9w M14e 9-6 -> M11e M16e 9-6 -> M12w J1e 14-1 -> M7w J2w 13-2 -> M10w J4w 14-1 -> M12e 1999.01 (M15e) 2007.09 (M16w) 2014.01 (M17e) M12w 9-6 -> M9w M16w 9-6 -> M14e M16e 9-6 -> M11e M14e 10-5 -> M9e J1w 10-5 -> M13w J1w 12-3 -> M10w J1w 14-1 -> M7e 2003.11 (M15w) 2010.09 (M17e) 2014.03 (M16w) M15w 9-6 -> M11e M15e 10-5 -> M10e M11w 9-6 -> M7w J2w 14-1 -> M10w J1w 14-1 -> M9w M15w 10-5 -> M12e J2w 14-1 -> M7e 2004.03 (M17e) 2011.01 (M17e) 2016.03 (M16e) M16w 9-6 -> M12e M14e 9-6 -> M10w M13w 10-5 -> M8w J2w 12-3 -> M11w M15w 9-6 -> M12w M14w 10-5 -> M9w M16w 9-6 -> M14w J1e 13-2 -> M7w J2e 12-3 -> M10e J2w 12-3 -> M11w That's 16 basho in which it happened to 9-6's and 4 times where 10-5's were a part of it, including two overlapping cases. For comparison, 8-7's got passed after 93 tournaments (12 of the 18 listed above plus 81 others). In case anyone wants to investigate the 8-7's:
  8. Yeah, I'm very much in favour of other entrants putting Tsurugisho and Wakamotoharu into makuuchi if they believe that makes sense.
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    New Juryo for Kyushu 2021

    New: Terasawa, now Asanowaka 朝乃若 - Ms1e 5-2, Takasago-beya, Niigata, 26 years old Hiradoumi - Ms2e 5-2, Sakaigawa-beya, Nagasaki, 21 years old Returning: Kotokuzan - Ms2w 4-3, Arashio-beya, Kanagawa, 27 years old, 2nd promotion, back after 1 basho Curveball. No further promotions.
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    Retirees after Haru 2020

    7 retirements have been announced, no former sekitori among them: Wakaichiro (Musashigawa) - link, link Kasugamine (Nakagawa) Teruju (Isegahama) Kotonoshima (Sadogatake) Bariki (Shikoroyama) Tetsubisho (Shikoroyama) Fukunofuji (Isegahama) banzuke-gai I think we're all breathing a sigh of relief that Bariki isn't going to struggle on. Fukunofuji is a decently talented 21-year-old who progressed to mid-sandanme smoothly three years ago before hitting the wall there, and has been MIA for close to a year now.
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    Hakuho retires

    The DB includes appearance counters (net of fusenpai) for all rikishi.
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    Hakuho retires

    That's got nothing to do with the jungyo department as such, though. In general working in - even heading up - the jungyo department is not a particularly high profile job and can even be a bit of a poison chalice. Blast from the past: In that case, it was the powers that be basically telling Takanohana, "You're unhappy with the state of sumo? Here's your chance to whip the rikishi into shape."
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    Hakuho retires

    There are technically about three different things people have been talking about here. As Kaninoyama said, the hallway guarding and other simple stuff like meet and greets is essentially entry-level work that gets assigned to those that haven't been placed in a permanent department yet, while the talk about judging and press club duties - including the suspicion/insinuation that they're not going to give him anything like that - was about those eventual department assignments. And thirdly there are PR side jobs like the mentioned commentary stints on TV or radio which aren't really part of anybody's official Association job description at all. Edit: To add for completeness, the primary task of those who aren't in a managerial role is simply to be coaches at their respective stable, in Kyokai lingo "guidance". With Hakuho expected to become heya owner before too long, I actually wouldn't be surprised if they're going to "allow" him to focus on that aspect of his oyakata career for the first while, which might not be the worst of things for him anyway and would provide the brass some time to think about how to involve him in the long term.
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    New recruits for 2021 Kyushu

    BTW, first one to take advantage of the extended two-year eligibility period, isn't he?
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    New recruits for 2021 Kyushu

    If I'm not mistaken the corporate circuit has been completely on hold since early 2020, so he may have trained but almost certainly hasn't seen any competitive action. (But yes, Nippon Express is one of the more prominent companies in corporate sumo.)
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    Hakuho retires

    Ditto for Taiho way back when, and even for the likes of Kaio and Chiyotaikai more recently. I think the main alternative for popular high-rankers is the job as a press club liaison, which was what Kotooshu was given and IIRC also Tochiazuma before him, but I'm not sure if that's currently relevant at all due to Covid interaction limits.
  17. Dragging this quote here for another aspect of the linked article, namely the apparent revelation that the committee in charge of supervising kabu transactions concerned itself with Hakuho's acquisition of the Magaki share in May, so quite a bit after the "plans to acquire" news had broken in March.
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    Hakuho retires

    And to contribute something to the thread beyond the self-absorbed waffle of the previous post, Nikkan states this morning that a Kyokai official has confirmed that Hakuho will be listed on the Kyushu banzuke after all, as the result of yesterday's banzuke-making conference, even though his retirement is expected to be acknowledged today.
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    Hakuho retires

    About the more casual/new type of international fans, based mainly on what I've observed on Reddit, though I suspect it's little different on Twitter or Facebook: One thing that I've found fascinating (and also a bit puzzling) over the last few years is how, the less Hakuho actually showed up for tournaments, the more of a fan favourite he seemed to become. A lot of it appeared to be based on some sort of reflexive anti-authority stance, Hakuho apparently being seen as this guy who doesn't give a shit about what those in charge think, and who just shows up to compete as he pleases, just because he can. That seemed to appeal to a lot of people. Nevermind that the only reason he was even capable of doing it is that those in charge are specifically permitting it through the rules they've set, but the analysis never goes that far. I recall getting some pushback here a few months ago when I said I would welcome those fans dropping out of sight again. It really doesn't matter what I think about that anyway, though, since it's inevitable that it's going to happen, just like it happened after Asashoryu's departure, or any other retirement of a rikishi whose support is a mile wide and an inch deep. (The dropoff of all dropoffs is going to be Tochinoshin fans, I suspect; now that's a shallow fandom. Takanoyama would have been another one, but the big boom in international fandom came too late for that.) The big "thing" right now is people proclaiming how very interested they are in following Hakuho's path as a stablemaster; I'm rather doubtful they're going to find it as exciting as they envision it at the moment.
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    Trivia bits

    Trivia question that I don't know the answer to off-hand, but maybe somebody else does: Rikishi who never reached sanyaku but whose shikona was later adopted by somebody not family-related anyway. Query prompted by the new Asanowaka, of course. Feels highly unusual, but maybe I'm missing some (or even a lot) of other cases. Pseudo-edit: While composing the post I did recall Daishoyama after all, who took the name of his shisho (career high: M2) late in his career. That was a very odd one, though, the original thrust of my question is more about rikishi who adopted a past rikishi's name as career inspiration.
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    Is this the worst Ozumo career ever?

    No, that's just a rikishi from an era for which maezumo results aren't available. He wouldn't have been ranked as a non-participant. (That happened in the very same basho, in fact.) Well yeah, because those come in as athletically talented rookies with a physique to match. It's out of shape no-hopers who lose weight (= fat) in their first couple of years, but you won't find those by looking at future sekitori for obvious reasons.
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    New Juryo for Kyushu 2021

    I'm sorry, that strikes me as a rather wild interpretation that's not supported by anything that's ever been publicly released about how the banzuke-making is done. Isn't it much more likely that they're simply very rule-minded and refusing to incorporate any intai that isn't 100% confirmed? (Which we know Hakuho's isn't, because it was already stated that they'll deal with it on Thursday.) I forget which lower-ranker it was, but we did have a case some time ago where an oyakata admitted that he had flubbed the submission of his deshi's intai notice and was essentially left standing outside the doors of the committee meeting which had already commenced, even though it would have been easy to acknowledge that additional intai even with the slight tardiness.
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    New Juryo for Kyushu 2021

    I would say the most likely outcome is a repeat of the 41-rikishi makuuchi we saw after Asashoryu's exit with Hakuho's name off the banzuke but his spot not redistributed yet for Kyushu. On the other hand, I said something quite similar about his spot likely getting blanked when Sokokurai retired to become oyakata very shortly after a banzuke-making session, and they didn't bother with it there, so who knows. On the other other hand, nobody really pays attention to makushita where Sokokurai was, while Hakuho getting listed would look odd indeed.
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    Retirees after Aki 2021

    DB note for @Doitsuyama: As Ryuko's intai was posted on Day 14, his yasumi end officially after 13 days (still with an 0-0-7 record though).
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    Promotion/Demotion/Yusho Discussion Aki 2021

    Just a slight correction, there were actually two retirements following that basho: Musashimaru and J8w Aogiayama which opened 8 spots in Juryo between all the retirements, expansions and demotions. The final spot went either to Hakuho or to Daimanazuru who went 7-0 Y at Ms16w... Given how high Hakuho got promoted - ahead of three other promotees - I rather doubt that he was the last (or even second-last) one to be selected for promotion when they decided who should be going up. As for, "but other than Daimanazuru with his 7-0, they clearly just promoted KK rikishi from the top down", you'll want to check out what they did in similarly excessive situations after Nagoya 2010 and Nagoya 2011 for how many higher-ranked KKs got passed by a 6-1 there. Not applicable to the current basho, naturally, since we're now talking about a 6-1 outside the top 5 ranks and other KKs inside of them, but when everybody's outside the "rules" are quite different.