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  1. I think the mid-to-late 1990s were just highly anomalous with the 5 strong Y/O on top for years and a whole bunch of near-ozeki caliber guys underneath who got in each other's way. Kaio, Musoyama and Tochiazuma finally benefitted from the top guys aging out, while Kotonishiki, Akinoshima and Takatoriki were themselves too old by then. (And Tosanoumi, who belongs in there as well, just wasn't good enough.)

    But more generally speaking, I think the underlying trend here is that high-rankers tend to last longer nowadays (not that one could tell from the current high-rankers...) than they did up to the 1980s, so back then if you were good enough to become ozeki you often got your shot without a lengthy run-up of S/K appearances. The guys who still got a sizable amount of them often just weren't really close to ozeki material, and 15-ish sounds about right for rikishi of that type. Also, keep in mind that they were less stingy with the sanyaku slots then, so rikishi such as Myogiryu and Toyonoshima (both at 13) or even more recently Tamawashi (right now at 14) probably would feature on the list under the same banzuke conditions.

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  2. (Moved from the Ajigawa-beya discussion.)

    13 hours ago, Reonito said:

    Either way, [rikishi qualified to open a heya via 25 sanyaku basho] it's a very short list.

    FWIW, I was thinking in general sumo history, not specifically the time period since the actual rule came in.

    Rikishi            15 S/K    20 S/K    25 S/K
    Mitsuneyama (O)   1953.03
    Asashio (Y)       1957.01
    Tokitsuyama       1959.03
    Annenyama         1961.07   1962.05
    Dewanishiki       1961.11
    Tochihikari (O)   1962.05
    Daigo             1964.05
    Kotozakura (Y)    1967.09
    Kiyokuni (O)      1968.09
    Daikirin (O)      1969.07   1970.05
    Hasegawa          1970.09   1971.11   1972.11
    Takamiyama        1974.07   1976.03   1977.11
    Kaiketsu (O)      1975.01
    Kurohimeyama      1977.03
    Kirinji           1983.05
    Dewanohana        1986.01
    Asahifuji (Y)     1987.09
    Sakahoko          1989.07
    Kotogaume         1989.11
    Tochinowaka       1992.03
    Kotonishiki       1993.11   1994.11   1996.03
    Akinoshima        1995.01   1997.01   1999.05
    Takatoriki        1996.05   1997.05   1999.05
    Kaio (O)          1996.11   1998.01   1999.05
    Musoyama (O)      1996.11   1998.01   1999.01
    Tochiazuma (O)    2000.09   2001.11
    Tosanoumi         2002.09   2005.05
    Wakanosato        2003.07   2004.05   2005.05
    Kotomitsuki (O)   2004.11   2005.11   2006.09
    Kisenosato (Y)    2010.05   2011.07
    Kotoshogiku (O)   2011.07
    Goeido (O)        2013.11
    Tochiozan         2014.05   2015.09   2017.09
    Aminishiki        2014.07
    Mitakeumi (O)     2019.05   2020.09   2021.07

    This list excludes rikishi who reached one of the milestones only after they were ozeki, e.g. Takayasu had 8 S/K tournaments at the time of his promotion and now has 15, and Kotoshogiku, who's listed at 15, also reached 20 later on.

    So, not counting rikishi who later became ozeki or even yokozuna, there have only been 19 / 9 / 7 rikishi who reached the respective number of S/K tournaments in the last ~70 years.

    Special trivia note: Of the (including later Y/O) 11 rikishi who got to 25 S/K tournaments, somehow three of them reached that milestone in the exact same basho, Natsu 1999.

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  3. 19 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    If Mitakeumi hadn't been promoted, he would have fit the criteria, assuming he would have retired sooner rather than later.  It's specifically for rikishi like him that enter Ozumo out of college, are mainstays of the sanyaku ranks, but never push up to Ozeki, and then have to retire or otherwise decline before they can get the 10 years in Makuuchi.

    I don't think they had the collegiate rikishi in mind specifically (those really didn't have much of an internal lobby yet back in 2006), but more the possibility of an untimely career end in general. 25 is a very onerous standard anyway; you could go with as little as 15 and not add a whole lot of eligible rikishi.

  4. I get the feeling I've left a few core premises of mine unstated, so maybe I'll need to rectify that.

    Let's start with the commonly recognized notion that the top 16 (active) rikishi on the banzuke are kind of having their own mini-tournament within the top division. If that was strictly true,  we'd be expecting a KK/MK split broadly in the region of 8/8 in the long run - maybe even a bit less than 8 KK if there are a bunch of dominant rikishi in the mix (i.e. what most of sumo's history has been like, but not the current times).

    In practice, the top 16 aren't quite so segregated from the rest of the division. The second week of the basho sees a sizable amount of matchups made based on similar records rather than similar ranks, and unsurprisingly that tends to favour the higher-ranked wrestlers. For the last three years, not counting fusen matches rikishi ranked komusubi to M3 posted 132 wins and 94 losses against rikishi ranked M7 and lower, or an average of 8.8 wins per 15 matches. It gets even more pronounced if we focus on joi rikishi who are doing well in any given basho - cutting down the aforementioned 226 bouts to those where the joi member had at least a non-negative record at the time of the match, we get a record of 74 wins and 42 losses, or a whopping 9.6 wins per 15.

    Those extra wins at the expense of lower-ranked maegashira mean that the KK/MK split for the top 16 is generally going to be more in the range of 9/7. Of course those 9 KK will occasionally include some (e.g, M3 8-7) that don't actually scream for an imminent sanyaku promotion, but even discounting those, most of the time there are going to be around 8 records for which the standard banzuke-making mechanics say that they should be in sanyaku on the next banzuke.

    That's largely independent of what the old sanyaku looked like in size. Of course there are going to be some cases where the size does make a difference - a rikishi who goes 8-7 at M1e underneath a 10-rikishi sanyaku should be promoted, the same rikishi going 8-7 at M2e underneath 8 sanyaku doesn't need to be. But those effects are going to be very limited in nature. Give that same rikishi 9 wins and even at M2e he's somebody who would be short-changed by not getting to sanyaku. The maegashira part of the joi is short enough that there aren't many rank/record combinations that don't look promotable by the numbers. (And it's rather self-defeating anyway since rikishi don't magically become worse just because their maegashira number is higher; it just means in a small-sanyaku situation you've got a stronger rikishi at the same rank position than you would in a large-sanyaku situation.)

    Adding to that, the records that shouldn't be in the next sanyaku on their own merits will include some that need to be placed there anyway - absent yokozuna, makekoshi ozeki, and (for better or worse) 7-8 sekiwake. That's on top of the 8 or so "deserving" candidates. The natural result: Forcing sanyaku to consistently contain fewer than approximately 10 rikishi is the proverbial attempt to put a square peg in a round hole. The competition system just doesn't support it, and trying to "fix" the issue after the fact through the banzuke-making leads to nothing but unfairness and distorted rankings.

    Either getting promoted to S/K is meant to be a consistently available reward for doing well as a maegashira, or it isn't. But if it's not, they might as well scrap the sekiwake and komusubi ranks altogether and start numbering rikishi from Maegashira 1 right underneath the ozeki.

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  5. 2 minutes ago, Sakura said:

    I suppose I just have a personal disklike to large numbers of Komusubi and Sekiwake.

    You've got company within the Kyokai, I suspect. ;-) Look at it this way: Should Kakuryu not have been promoted to ozeki for Natsu 2012 simply because having six ozeki was an unsightly mess?

    In broad strokes the talent distribution in sumo is always going to be very similar - let's say, the difference between the 10th-best rikishi and the 30th-best rikishi, that's not changing much over time - but at small scales that's just not true. Sometimes you'll get clumps in one small area, sometimes in another. That's why it makes little sense to try to use the Y/O/S/K distinction to enforce some sort of view of what an ideal distribution looks like. (Why not 1 Y / 2 O / 3 S / 4 K?) It's much more straight-forward and more fair to say, "sanyaku, that's approximately the 10 best rikishi in sumo", and let the 10 rikishi's individual talents determine whether that means they're a yokozuna, an ozeki, a sekiwake, or a komusubi.

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  6. 33 minutes ago, maglor said:

    Is this a bad thing though, necessarily? 

    When the Y/O are strong, it's incredibly tough to get a good record in the joi, and so it's easy to make sanyaku if you can do it.

    When the Y/O are weak, it's not hard to get a good record in the joi, and so it's correspondingly that much harder to get promoted into sanyaku.

    If we go back to the Y/O of 2012, everyone in the joi would have 4 less wins and there is no logjam. It's just that a 10-5/11-4 in the joi now is really equivalent to an 8-7 back then. Think of it that way, and the logjam isn't so bad. 

    It balances itself out really; the weaker the Y/O are, the better you should have to do to make sanyaku

    That's a very, very bad case of apples and oranges, quite honestly.

    When there's 6 strong Y/O, the guy two spots down from them on the banzuke is called West Sekiwake, but he's only the 8th-best rikishi in sumo. That's probably a guy who largely fluked his way into sanyaku and won't be there for very long.

    When there's 2 strong Y/O, the guy two spots down from them on the banzuke is still called West Sekiwake, but now that's the 4th-best rikishi in sumo. He's almost certainly performing more strongly than the West Sekiwake in the other scenario, and it will show in how he got to that rank. Meanwhile, the 8th-best rikishi in sumo will be the same kind of guy as before. According to you, he should be consigned to perpetual just-outside-of-sanyaku status, even though his performances are deserving of exactly the same thing as in the other scenario: occasionally bubbling up into sanyaku and then not staying there for long.

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  7. 2 hours ago, Sakura said:

    I understand that. 

    I think my point that I failed to make was a) large sanyaku is ok as long as it is Y/O heavy (i.e. 6 vs 4) and not the (3 vs 7) that we had. More of the problem, I think,  comes from the higher rankers not doing their job, as the penalty for failing for them is to remain in the Sanyaku next time.

    b) With the top 8 stretching on the current banzuke (active in the absho) down to K2E, there is room (particluarly in a S/K heavy situation like this, where the talent gap is supposedly smaller) to spread a lot of wins around so that potentially no one in S/K would have a losing record and the folks at M1 would still have recods that would require promotion and that might be the sort of situation that they would want to avoid.

    Personally, I think 10 is the ideal sanyaku size, but I think it works better if it is weighted towards the Y/O

    That's exactly my point, though - it needs to be around 10 regardless of the specific rank make-up. That's simply an unavoidable consequence of how the tournaments work. And no, the fact that there may be edge cases where even 10 might not be enough is no argument against that, when what's an edge case with 10 is a common outcome with 8.

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  8. Late response to this one...

    On 29/11/2022 at 04:02, Sakura said:

    The current Sekiwake and Komusbi ranks (combined) are rather bloated, and they could do with reducing the numbers to avoid the problem of `what happens if they stick with 10 sanyaku and the M1s pull out great records and they have to expand some more'. Reducing down to 9 wouldn't be enough to cure that problem, but reducing down to 7 causes a lot of problems in ordering the Maegashira.

    8 would be a resonable number as you say and I think they don't have a problem with giving rikishi awful banzuke luck.

    Problems of having too many high-ranking maegashira that put up promotable records are chiefly caused by trying to have too small a sanyaku, though, not a too large one. They can get away with 2 S + 2 K when they've got half a dozen Y/O who are almost all putting up regular kachikoshi, because that leaves only a couple more KKs for the joi riffraff. But in a situation like right now where the expected number of Y/O kachikoshi is rarely more than two, you get exactly what we've been seeing for quite a few tournaments now, logjams galore. You can't just have only four lower sanyaku in perpetuity when the KK/MK split in the non-Y/O joi creates six or seven sanyaku-deserving guys all the time. (And that's six or seven without even accounting for the Kyokai's annoying insistence on not demoting 7-8 sekiwake to maegashira.)

    The tournament just gone has demonstrated all that very well, with its 7 S/K rikishi of whom no less than four went makekoshi. That's a perfectly normal outcome when you put that many less-than-ozeki-caliber rikishi into those ranks, and it would easily balance against the three maegashira who put up strong cases for promotion, if only they actually recognized the necessity of sticking to such a large lower sanyaku. Conversely, if those 7 S/K rikishi had done the unlikely and actually all had a great tournament, we simply wouldn't be having any maegashira deserving of promotion, balancing out as well.

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  9. 12 minutes ago, Wakawakawaka said:

    M>M>S>O happened most recently in 1941 and that was a 'standard' 33 win 9-11-13 run.

    To be clear, that was long, long before ozeki promotions began to be determined based on what we would consider the current standards, so the apparent familiarity of anything in that run is a complete coincidence.

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  10. 1 hour ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

    I think a lot of us would like to see this partially for sentimental reasons, but the committee isn't known for making decisions on the basis of sentiment.

    Putting Takayasu at sekiwake would be the complete opposite of a sentimental decision. He's by far the most credible candidate to "fix" the ozeki shortage at the moment with his 23 wins against (mostly) joi opposition. 10 more wins, committee points to the fact that (unlike Miyabiyama way back when) his first tenure was actually pretty good and only ended due to injury, done. Facilitating that potential development by shuffling him up to sekiwake now would be entirely pragmatic.

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  11. 3 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    I couldn't find anything in this thread about the number of demoted Ozeki still on the banzuke (but below Ozeki).  We will have 5 on the next banzuke if there are no retirements, and the only ex-Ozeki to continue competing recently but retired by now is Kotoshogiku, and since his retirement there have been multiple Ozeki demotions so I'm fairly sure this would be a new record, assuming that it hasn't happened in the past.  Normally there aren't nearly this many Ozeki demoted around the same time that continue competing.  Also of note is that both of the upper sanyaku on the next banzuke also were demoted from Ozeki at one point.

    We did that thing when the then-record of 4 was set three years ago: Link

    (Conversation starts a few posts earlier than the one linked.)

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  12. And the exhaustive version...

    From makushita to makuuchi with very low juryo W-L records (consecutive tournaments, but not necessarily the rikishi's only juryo tournaments before reaching makuuchi), actual negative differentials but also near-misses (±0, +1, +2) for context. Does not include rikishi who had a 0-0-15 that didn't result in demotion, either old kosho or more recently due to Covid, unless the remaining W-L without the 15 absences still fits the parameters. Other absences are treated as losses, same as they were on the banzuke.

    2 juryo basho:
    Tamaasuka - juryo 2011.05-2011.07, 16-14 (+2) record with 2 KK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal

    3 juryo basho:
    Yoshiazuma - juryo 2011.01-2011.07, 23-22 (+1) record with 2 KK and 1 MK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal

    4 juryo basho: nobody 31-29 (+2) or lower

    5 juryo basho:
    Tsurugidake - juryo 2010.11-2011.09, 38-37 (+1) record with 2 KK and 3 MK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal

    6 juryo basho:
    Sadanofuji - juryo 2010.09-2011.09, 41-49 (-8) record with 3 KK and 3 MK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal
    Hochiyama - juryo 2010.07-2011.07, 43-47 (-4) record with 2 KK and 4 MK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal

    7 juryo basho:
    Akiseyama - juryo 2015.01-2016.01, 53-52 (+1) record with 5 KK and 2 MK

    8 juryo basho: nobody 61-59 (+2) or lower

    9 juryo basho: nobody 68-67 (+1) or lower

    10 juryo basho:
    Sotairyu - juryo 2011.05-2012.11, 73-70-7 (-4) record with 5 KK and 5 MK, beneficiary of yaocho scandal (outsized promotion from Ms to J)

    11 juryo basho: nobody 83-82 (+1) or lower

    12 juryo basho:
    Seiro - juryo 2013.07-2015.05, 87-93 (-6) record with 7 KK and 5 MK
    Kitanokuni - juryo 1962.05-1964.03, 90-90 (±0) record with 8 KK and 4 MK

    13 juryo basho: nobody 98-97 (+1) or lower

    14 juryo basho:
    Daihi - juryo 1979.07-1981.09, 104-104-2 (-2) record with 8 KK and 6 MK

    15 juryo basho:
    Kyokunankai - juryo 2008.03-2010.07, 111-112-2 (-4) record with 8 KK and 7 MK, beneficiary of gambling scandal (outsized promotion from J to M)

    16 juryo basho:
    Hoshiiwato - juryo 1986.11-1989.05, 119-121 (-2) record with 10 KK and 6 MK

    17 juryo basho: nobody 128-127 (+1) or lower

    18 juryo basho:
    Daimonji - juryo 1963.11-1966.09, 135-131-4 (±0) record with 10 KK and 8 MK
    Harunoyama - juryo 2001.03-2004.01 (one kosho), 128-123-4 (+1) record with 9 KK and 8 MK

    19 juryo basho: nobody 143-142 (+1) or lower

    20 juryo basho:
    Chiyoo - juryo 2013.09-2016.11, 147-146-7 (-6) record with 11 KK and 9 MK


    23 juryo basho:
    Azumaryu - juryo 2015.11-2019.07, 171-174 (-3) record with 12 KK and 11 MK

    27 juryo basho:
    Mitoryu - juryo 2018.01-2022.07 (one Covid), 196-185-9 (+2) record with 15 KK and 11 MK

    Should be complete.

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  13. 3 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    Bushozan is currently 79-79 in Juryo as of Day 8 Kyushu 2022 with a 5-3 so far.  That means if he goes 8-7 he'll have an overall losing record, but it might be enough for Makuuchi promotion from J2w.  That might be reasonable if he'd ever been demoted from Juryo, but he hasn't.  It's just been banzuke luck in his favor every single basho.  The contemplated situation actually happened with Seiro, though I don't know if anyone else has ever had this dubious distinction.  It helped him immensely to have a bunch of those losses in the same tournament while ranked high enough to not be demoted, as truly awful records tend to always get some luck compared to where they'd end up solely by the numbers.

    Yeah, the relevant stat here is that he would have 7 KK against only 3 MK. Even with overall balanced wins and losses that's going to lead to a sizable rank jump pretty much everywhere on the banzuke except the makuuchi joi-jin and upper makushita.

    Seiro's run was rather more impressive with 7 KK / 5 MK.

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  14. 7 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

    Today, Asanoyama defeated Tokushoryu in a Juryo bout. This is the first time that two winners of the Emperor's Cup have faced off in Juryo.

    After an inefficient but hopefully thorough search, I have determined that the only Makuuchi winners who subsequently dropped to lower divisions were Wakanami (Yusho in 1968, J in 1969), Tagaryu (Yusho in 1984, J in 1988-91), Kotofuji (Yusho in 1991, J in 1994-5), Mitoizumi (Yusho in 1992, J in 1999-2000), Terunofuji (Yusho in 2017, J and lower 2018-2020), Tokushoryu (Yusho in 2020, J in 2021-22) and Asanoyama (Yusho in 2019, J and lower in 2022).

    This is therefore the first time that two former Emperor's Cup winners competed in lower divisions at the same time and the first time such a matchup could occur.

    I do believe that list is short of a few names.

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  15. Seki-Toto (play):

    Recently underperforming yokozuna Pandaazuma's flirt with disaster found a happy ending in Aki basho after all. Having already survived one do-or-die basho in July, he cleared the second hurdle with ease and not only posted the required kachikoshi, but even finished doten runner-up at 12-3. His previous bad results are now sufficiently far in the past that he's safe for at least the next two tournaments, and I trust that it will stay that way. Fellow yokozuna Norizo missed double digits for the second straight tournament, suffering a hard luck fall from 9-2 to 9-6 in the closing days of the tournament.

    That was still a lot better than the ozeki trio managed to put up, however. After all of them scored at least 10 wins last time out - including Ganzohnesushi doing enough to be put on tsunatori watch and Joaoiyama earning promotion to ozeki in the first place - Aki basho saw makekoshi all around for an upcoming triple kadoban in Kyushu.

    We will nevertheless have one ozeki who isn't kadoban thanks to another promotion. This one's of a non-standard kind:

    2022.03 M4w 11-4 J
    2022.05 K2w kosho
    2022.07 M2w 11-4
    2022.09 K2w 11-4

    I try to not hold kosho tournaments against prospective ozeki runs, and obviously if the Nagoya banzuke hadn't been hurting for space and required that big kosho drop to M2 to make it work, the  player's Aki ranking would have been sekiwake rather than komusubi and this would be a no-doubter. Consequently I decided to pull the trigger anyway - we've had ozeki promotions from komusubi before, although I don't remember off-hand if there was a three-basho run in there or just exceptional two-basho performances (e.g. yusho+yusho and the like). Be that as it may, congrats to...Golynohana!

    The new banzuke is another one where lack of sanyaku space impacted multiple players, and this time even the yusho winner. Kaito finished 12-3 all the way up at M1w, immediately followed by runner-up M2e Athenayama, but both only moved up to komusubi. Things continued in rather ugly fashion despite a decent enough count of 7 makekoshi among the top 20 players (who scored 8.75 wins on average) - it didn't help that three of them were the aforementioned ozeki MK, which didn't clear any space. This session's special apologies go to Andoreasu, who really should have gone to sanyaku but didn't, and Jakusotsu, stuck behind an 8-7 I couldn't find the heart to demote since the other joi 8-7's also didn't have to drop.

    Pandaazuma (Ye 12-3 D)        Y    Norizo (Yw 9-6)
    ScreechingOwl (O1w 7-8)       O1   Joaoiyama (O2e 7-8)
    Ganzohnesushi (O1e 5-10)      O2   Golynohana (K2w 11-4)
    Oskahanada (S1e 9-6)          S1   Konosato (S1w 9-6)
    Kintamayama (S2w 9-6)         S2   Unkonoyama (K1e 11-3-1)
    Kaito (M1w 12-3 Y)            K    Athenayama (M2e 12-3 D)

    Andoreasu (M4w 11-4)          M1   Toonoryu (M3w 9-6)
    Metzinowaka (M2w 8-7)         M2   Kotononami (M3e 8-7)
    Susanoo (K1w 7-8)             M3   Oortael (S2e 6-9)
    Kajiyanosho (M6e 9-6)         M4   Flohru (M6w 9-6)
    DeRosa (M5e 8-7)              M5   Jakusotsu (M8w 10-5)
    Asapedroryu (M9e 9-6)         M6   Terarno (M1e 6-9)
    Bill (M11w 10-5)              M7   Gaanaa (M4e 7-8)
    Herritarooo (M11e 9-6)        M8   Umigame (M13w 10-5)
    Chishafuwaku (M5w 7-8)        M9   Fujisan (M14e 9-6)
    Sakura (M12w 8-6-1)           M10  Achiyama (M13e 8-7)
    Taka (M10w kosho)             M11  Gawasukotto (M15w 9-6)
    Hana-ichi (M9w 7-8)           M12  Onakaderu (J2e 9-6)
    Hidenotora (M8e 5-10)         M13  Chelseayama (M7e 4-10-1)
    Chijanofuji (M7w 4-11)        M14  Chankoyama (M10e 5-10)
    Tomisakae (J3w 8-6-1)         M15  Kitakachiyama (J6e 9-6)

    Takanorappa (J1e 7-8)         J1   Asashosakari (J1w kosho)
    Frinkanohana (M15e 6-9)       J2   Gernobono (M14w 5-10)
    Kishikaisei (M12e 3-11-1)     J3   Saruyama (J11w 9-6)
    Gansekiiwa (J4e 7-8)          J4   Ahokaina (J4w 7-8)
    GONZABUROW (J5e 7-8)          J5   Kobashi (J5w 7-7-1)
    Kuroimori (J2w 5-10)          J6   Mmikasazuma (J6w kosho)
    Andonishiki (J3e 5-8-2)       J7   Balon (J7w 7-8)
    Holleshoryu (Ms1e 9-6)        J8   Oshirokita (J13w 8-7)
    Akishiki (J7e 6-9)            J9   Mariohana (J9w kosho)
    Benihana (J8e 6-8-1)          J10  Choshu-yuki (J8w 6-9)
    Chudorj (Ms4e 9-6)            J11  Anjoboshi (Ms2e 8-7)
    Kashunowaka (Ms2w 8-7)        J12  Getayukata (J12w kosho)
    Kyoju (J13e 7-8)              J13  Effinojo (J11e 6-5-4)
    Kaiowaka (J14e 7-8)           J14  Ketsukai (J9e 5-9-1)

    Rowitoro (J12e 6-9)           Ms1  Ulishimaru (Ms1w 7-8)
    Profomisakari (J10e 5-10)     Ms2  Netsuzakura (J10w 5-9-1)
    Neko (J14w 6-5-4)             Ms3  Nantonoyama (Ms3w kosho)
    HaraKiri (NR 8-7)             Ms4  Oyama (Ms4w 6-9)
    Dan Koloff (Ms5e 6-9)         Ms5  Unagiyutaka2 (Ms6w 6-5-4)
    WAKATAKE (Ms7w 5-10)          Ms6  Gusoyama (Ms8e 5-10)
    Aderechelseamaru (Ms7e kosho) Ms7  Koorifuu (NR 5-8-2)
    BariiHachiBenson (Ms5w 3-5-7) Ms8  Sherlockiama (Ms3e 0-3-12)
    Iruka (NR 1-1-13)             Ms9  Sutarokku (Ms9e 0-0-15)

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  16. Seki-Oracle:

    As a pre-basho game Oracle was of course significantly more affected by all the Covid shenanigans in July than Toto and Quad were. However, short of throwing out the results altogether I didn't really see how I could reasonably improve upon them to take account of the unique circumstances, so in the end I let them stay as they were.

    Back in May, yokozuna Pandaazuma posted his first ever result below 7-8 at the rank, and unfortunately Nagoya saw him follow up on it with a second 6-9, which means he entered Aki basho at risk of an involuntary retirement, should he score a third straight MK there. Norizo was already at the precipice in Nagoya after three makekoshi in the preceding five tournaments (four in six = also intai), and he saved himself ever so barely, tied for the last points score that was still above the joi-jin KK/MK line.

    None of the five ozeki were kadoban so we weren't going to lose any in the downward direction, but the opposite one was of course possible. And the one ozeki who was on tsunatori did it in style, with the yusho. Congrats to Oskahanada for reaching the ultimate rank in Oracle! This did it for him:

    2022.03 O2e 15-0 J (sole 2nd place)
    2022.05 O1e 9-6 (tied 4th-9th place)
    2022.07 O2e 14-1 Y (1st place)

    Another ozeki in freshly promoted Golynohana also had an excellent result, finishing Nagoya basho in 3rd place. Combined with his previous result, the Natsu yusho, that would be a promotable run, but of course the yusho still happened as sekiwake, and I can't quite give that much credit for it. It's easily enough to be considered for a tsuna run in Aki, of course.

    The remaining ozeki results saw decent 9-6 scores for Kaito and Gansekiiwa, and a big 5-10 makekoshi for chishafuwaku who thus went on to Aki basho with kadoban status.

    The sanyaku ranks saw another expansion from 11 to 12 on the heels of last basho's, so we're at the nominal max now. The promotion of Torafujii to komusubi from all the way down at M9 may look weird in light of his 10-5 record, but he was actually the tournament runner-up to Oskahanada. Had Torafujii been ranked in the joi already, his points total would have converted to 13-2 there.

    Norizo (Ye 8-7)            Y1   Pandaazuma (Yw 6-9)
    Oskahanada (O2e 14-1 Y)    Y2   -
    Golynohana (O3e 13-2)      O1   Kaito (O1e 9-6)
    Gansekiiwa (O1w 9-6)       O2   chishafuwaku (O2w 5-10)
    Frinkanohana (Sw 10-5)     S1   Andoreasu (Se 8-7)
    -                          S2   Wamahada (M2e 11-4)
    DeRosa (M5e 10-5)          K    Torafujii (M9e 10-5)

    Kishikaisei (Ke 7-8)       M1   Susanoo (Kw 7-8)
    Bill (M4e 8-7)             M2   Konosato (M8e 9-6)
    Asashosakari (M1w 7-8)     M3   Oshirokita (M6e 8-7)
    Ganzohnesushi (M6w 8-7)    M4   Kitakachiyama (M3e 7-8)
    Andrasoyama (M7w 8-7)      M5   Flohru (M4w 7-8)
    Mariohana (M2w 6-9)        M6   Balon (M1e 5-10)
    Choshu-yuki (M12e 9-6)     M7   Athenayama (M14w 10-5)
    Unkonoyama (M10w 8-7)      M8   Takanorappa (M11e 8-7)
    GONZABUROW (M3w 4-11)      M9   Taka (M8w 7-8)
    Kotononami (M15w 9-6)      M10  Sakura (M9w 7-8)
    ScreechingOwl (M10e 7-8)   M11  Oortael (M5w 4-11)
    Hakase (M7e 5-10)          M12  Ruziklao (M12w kosho)
    Mmikasazuma (J2e 11-4)     M13  Shatsume (J1e 10-5)
    Metzinowaka (M13e 6-9)     M14  Profomisakari (M13w 6-9)
    Sukubidubidu (M15e 7-8)    M15  Terarno (J4e 10-5)

    joaoiyama (M16e 7-8)       J1   Kobashi (J1w kosho)
    Saruyama (M11w 4-11)       J2   Pitinosato (M14e 4-11)
    bariihachibenson (J5e 8-7) J3   Kasamatsuri (J9w 10-5)
    Seki Haruaki (J6e 8-7)     J4   Netsuzakura (J3w 7-8)
    Anjoboshi (J2w 6-9)        J5   Doreikishi (J3e 6-9)
    Gusoyama (J11w 9-6)        J6   Holleshoryu (J5w 7-8)
    TochiYESshin (NR 9-6)      J7   Gusokaze (J7w kosho)
    Kurofuji (J8e kosho)       J8   Chartorenji (J8w kosho)
    Kaiowaka (J9e kosho)       J9   Hidenotora (J7e 5-10)
    reeeen (J12e 7-8)          J10  Kajiyanosho (J10w kosho)
    Fujisan (J11e 6-9)         J11  Andonishiki (NR 5-10)
    WAKATAKE (NR 4-11)         J12  Nantonoyama (J4w 0-0-15)
    Kakushoyama (J6w 0-0-15)   J13  -

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  17. Seki-Quadrumvirate:

    Just like Natsu basho did, Nagoya also came in low enough scoring-wise that all players received an extra win for banzuke purposes. And again an ozeki was among the main beneficiaries with Kaito not becoming kadoban for Kyushu. The other three were all over the place - a decent (adjusted) 9-6 for Norizo, an exceptional yusho-winning performance by Jakusotsu, and an absence by Kobashi, who was at risk of demotion and will continue to be so for November.

    This banzuke ain't stopping at just four ozeki though. Courtesy of the previous summary before Nagoya:

    On 11/07/2022 at 07:35, Asashosakari said:

    With three sekiwake holding rank and komusubi Oskahanada set to come up with double-digit wins, I was inclined to be harsh with fellow komusubi Ganzohnesushi and keep him at the fourth-highest rank despite 9 wins (which is usually a K->S promotion) to avoid overcrowding. Nevertheless, one other player forced his way into sekiwake, and I couldn't justify promoting him alone there, so Ganzohnesushi ultimately went up, too. That other player is Andrasoyama, courtesy of this run:

    2022.01 M17e 11-4 D
    2022.03 M6e 10-5
    2022.05 M1e 10-5

    Purely in W-L terms, that's an ozeki promotion quality run, so I felt compelled to create an opportunity for Andrasoyama to cap it off with another strong result this month.

    That turned out to be prescient as Andrasoyama added yet another 11-win score at sekiwake for a truly outstanding four-basho run that of course earned him promotion.

    Luckily three other sekiwake went makekoshi so after the previous banzuke bumped up against the imposed 12-slot limit this one comes in at just 11 even with the added ozeki spot.

    Overall the banzuke worked out without requiring any special considerations, although most of the top division saw relatively small promotions and large demotions. As always when scores have been adjusted, the following banzuke listing features those adjusted scores with the original results below in spoilers.

    Jakusotsu (O2e 12-3 Y)      O1   Norizo (O1w 9-6)
    Kaito (O1e 8-7)             O2   Kobashi (O2w kosho)
    Andrasoyama (S3e 11-4)      O3   -
    Oskahanada (S1e 9-6)        S1   Susanoo (Ke 11-4)
    Ganzohnesushi (S2e 8-7)     S2   Choshu-yuki (M2e 11-4)
    Bill (Kw 8-7)               K    chishafuwaku (M5w 10-5)

    joaoiyama (M1w 8-7)         M1   Pandaazuma (S1w 7-8)
    Kishikaisei (S2w 7-8)       M2   Unkonoyama (M7e 10-5)
    Golynohana (S3w 7-8)        M3   Athenayama (M5e 8-7)
    Konosato (M1e 7-8)          M4   Flohru (M2w kosho)
    Getayukata (M8e 9-6)        M5   Andoreasu (M8w 9-6)
    Ketsukai (M6w 8-7)          M6   Kotononami (M11e 10-5)
    Oortael (M7w 8-7)           M7   Asapedroryu (M3w 7-8)
    DeRosa (M3e 6-9)            M8   ScreechingOwl (M6e 7-8)
    Kitakachiyama (M4e 6-9)     M9   Anjoboshi (J1e 11-4)
    Andonishiki (M11w 8-7)      M10  Nantonoyama (M9e 7-8)
    Sakura (M10w kosho)         M11  Chankoyama (J1w 10-5)
    Holleshoryu (J2w 10-5)      M12  Kuroimori (M14w 8-7)
    Fujisan (M4w 4-11)          M13  Gansekiiwa (M9w 6-9)
    GONZABUROW (M10e 6-9)       M14  Taka (M14e 7-8)
    Netsuzakura (M12e 6-9)      M15  Achiyama (J5w 9-6)
    Asashosakari (M15w 7-8)     M16  -

    Metzinowaka (M13w 6-9)      J1   Gernobono (J8e 10-5)
    Terarno (J6w 9-6)           J2   Frinkanohana (J4w 8-7)
    Kashunowaka (M12w 5-10)     J3   Hironoumi (M15e 6-9)
    Kaiowaka (J4e kosho)        J4   reeeen (J3e 7-8)
    Kintamayama (J11w 10-5)     J5   Chibiyama (J7w 8-7)
    Ruziklao (J5e kosho)        J6   Jejima (M13e 3-12)
    Oyama (J2e 5-10)            J7   Kajiyanosho (J11e 8-7)
    Kyodaitimu (J3w 5-10)       J8   Balon (J6e 6-9)
    Takanorappa (J9e 7-8)       J9   Kyoju (J7e 6-9)
    Profomisakari (J13w 8-7)    J10  Mmikasazuma (Ms2e 8-7)
    Hidenotora (J10w 6-9)       J11  Doreikishi (J8w 4-11)
    Mariohana (J13e 6-9)        J12  Saruyama (J10e 4-11)
    Hakase (Ms2w 7-8)           J13  Sukubidubidu (J12w 5-10)
    bariihachibenson (Ms1w 6-9) J14  Chocshoporyu (J9w 3-12)

    Unagiyutaka (Ms4e 7-8)      Ms1  Rowitoro (J12e 4-11)
    Hakushin (J14w 5-10)        Ms2  Kasamatsuri (Ms3e 6-9)
    Gusoyama (Ms5w 7-8)         Ms3  Hogashi (Ms3w 5-10)
    Oshirokita (J14e 3-12)      Ms4  Neko (Ms1e 2-13)
    Furanohana (Ms4w 3-12)      Ms5  WAKATAKE (Ms7e 3-12)
    Kazejihi (Ms5e 0-0-15)      Ms6  Chartorenji (Ms6w kosho)
    kamogawa (Ms6e 0-0-15)      Ms7  -


    Jakusotsu (O2e 11-4 Y -> 12-3)       O1   Norizo (O1w 8-7 -> 9-6)
    Kaito (O1e 7-7-1 -> 8-7)             O2   Kobashi (O2w kosho)
    Andrasoyama (S3e 10-5 -> 11-4)       O3   -
    Oskahanada (S1e 8-7 -> 9-6)          S1   Susanoo (Ke 10-5 -> 11-4)
    Ganzohnesushi (S2e 7-7-1 -> 8-7)     S2   Choshu-yuki (M2e 10-4-1 -> 11-4)
    Bill (Kw 7-8 -> 8-7)                 K    chishafuwaku (M5w 9-5-1 -> 10-5)

    joaoiyama (M1w 7-8 -> 8-7)           M1   Pandaazuma (S1w 6-9 -> 7-8)
    Kishikaisei (S2w 6-8-1 -> 7-8)       M2   Unkonoyama (M7e 9-6 -> 10-5)
    Golynohana (S3w 6-8-1 -> 7-8)        M3   Athenayama (M5e 7-8 -> 8-7)
    Konosato (M1e 6-9 -> 7-8)            M4   Flohru (M2w kosho)
    Getayukata (M8e 8-7 -> 9-6)          M5   Andoreasu (M8w 8-7 -> 9-6)
    Ketsukai (M6w 7-8 -> 8-7)            M6   Kotononami (M11e 9-6 -> 10-5)
    Oortael (M7w 7-8 -> 8-7)             M7   Asapedroryu (M3w 6-9 -> 7-8)
    DeRosa (M3e 5-9-1 -> 6-9)            M8   ScreechingOwl (M6e 6-7-2 -> 7-8)
    Kitakachiyama (M4e 5-10 -> 6-9)      M9   Anjoboshi (J1e 10-4-1 -> 11-4)
    Andonishiki (M11w 7-8 -> 8-7)        M10  Nantonoyama (M9e 6-9 -> 7-8)
    Sakura (M10w kosho)                  M11  Chankoyama (J1w 9-6 -> 10-5)
    Holleshoryu (J2w 9-6 -> 10-5)        M12  Kuroimori (M14w 7-8 -> 8-7)
    Fujisan (M4w 3-8-4 -> 4-11)          M13  Gansekiiwa (M9w 5-10 -> 6-9)
    GONZABUROW (M10e 5-10 -> 6-9)        M14  Taka (M14e 6-9 -> 7-8)
    Netsuzakura (M12e 5-10 -> 6-9)       M15  Achiyama (J5w 8-7 -> 9-6)
    Asashosakari (M15w 6-9 -> 7-8)       M16  -

    Metzinowaka (M13w 5-9-1 -> 6-9)      J1   Gernobono (J8e 9-6 -> 10-5)
    Terarno (J6w 8-7 -> 9-6)             J2   Frinkanohana (J4w 7-7-1 -> 8-7)
    Kashunowaka (M12w 4-10-1 -> 5-10)    J3   Hironoumi (M15e 5-9-1 -> 6-9)
    Kaiowaka (J4e kosho)                 J4   reeeen (J3e 6-7-2 -> 7-8)
    Kintamayama (J11w 9-5-1 -> 10-5)     J5   Chibiyama (J7w 7-8 -> 8-7)
    Ruziklao (J5e kosho)                 J6   Jejima (M13e 2-13 -> 3-12)
    Oyama (J2e 4-11 -> 5-10)             J7   Kajiyanosho (J11e 7-8 -> 8-7)
    Kyodaitimu (J3w 4-11 -> 5-10)        J8   Balon (J6e 5-8-2 -> 6-9)
    Takanorappa (J9e 6-9 -> 7-8)         J9   Kyoju (J7e 5-10 -> 6-9)
    Profomisakari (J13w 7-8 -> 8-7)      J10  Mmikasazuma (Ms2e 7-4-4 -> 8-7)
    Hidenotora (J10w 5-9-1 -> 6-9)       J11  Doreikishi (J8w 3-12 -> 4-11)
    Mariohana (J13e 5-10 -> 6-9)         J12  Saruyama (J10e 3-12 -> 4-11)
    Hakase (Ms2w 6-9 -> 7-8)             J13  Sukubidubidu (J12w 4-11 -> 5-10)
    bariihachibenson (Ms1w 5-9-1 -> 6-9) J14  Chocshoporyu (J9w 2-13 -> 3-12)

    Unagiyutaka (Ms4e 6-6-3 -> 7-8)      Ms1  Rowitoro (J12e 3-12 -> 4-11)
    Hakushin (J14w 4-11 -> 5-10)         Ms2  Kasamatsuri (Ms3e 5-10 -> 6-9)
    Gusoyama (Ms5w 6-7-2 -> 7-8)         Ms3  Hogashi (Ms3w 4-11 -> 5-10)
    Oshirokita (J14e 2-13 -> 3-12)       Ms4  Neko (Ms1e 1-13-1 -> 2-13)
    Furanohana (Ms4w 2-12-1 -> 3-12)     Ms5  WAKATAKE (Ms7e 2-5-8 -> 3-12)
    Kazejihi (Ms5e 0-0-15)               Ms6  Chartorenji (Ms6w kosho)
    kamogawa (Ms6e 0-0-15)               Ms7  -


  18. (Filling in what was not posted yet...)


    Following Natsu basho, I had to put yokozuna Pandaazuma on alert due to flagging results:

    On 11/07/2022 at 07:34, Asashosakari said:

    2021.09 Ye 8-7
    2021.11 Ye 6-9
    2022.01 Yw 6-9
    2022.03 Yw 9-6
    2022.05 Yw 6-9

    The absolute bare minimum expectation for yokozuna in all Seki games is "don't post four makekoshi in a six-basho stretch". As it stands, Pandaazuma will have to achieve KK in both Nagoya and Aki just for that. However, given that high-ranking players are scoring quite a bit better in Toto than they do in Quad or Oracle and thus these results are looking even worse in comparison, I'm feeling compelled to require more here. Therefore, Pandaazuma will need either A) 10+ wins in Nagoya and any KK in Aki, or B) 9 wins in Nagoya and 9+ wins in Aki.

    Fortunately he stepped up to the call and delivered at least the first part of it in Nagoya by posting a 10-5 record, leaving only the bare KK requirement for Aki. He even took over the #1 position on the Aki banzuke as fellow yokozuna Norizo struggled to an 8-7 score.

    The Nagoya highlight result among the top-ranked players was provided by ozeki Ganzohnesushi, doten runner-up with an excellent 13-2 and obviously in line for a tsunatori in Aki basho. The other ozeki ScreechingOwl achieved a very credible 10-win record as well.

    Another pre-Nagoya comment spotlighted two players on ozeki runs:

    On 11/07/2022 at 07:34, Asashosakari said:

    Amongst all the commotion, Joaoiyama and Toonoryu have both posted back-to-back 11-4 records, putting them on bonafide ozeki runs.

    While things didn't work out so well for Toonoryu with a 6-9 makekoshi and consequently a trip back to the maegashira ranks, Joaoiyama managed to post a third successive 11-4. What's left to say besides, congrats! This was the run in detail:

    2022.03 M1w 11-3-1 J
    2022.05 S1w 11-4
    2022.07 S1e 11-4

    As has become sadly customary, the scoring went sky-high in the joi again, even topping 9 wins with an average of 9.2 for players between yokozuna and M5. Fortunately there was just barely enough space to get away without demoting any 8-7's this time, although I've had to slightly disfavour other players relative to my usual approach (in particular 10-5 duo Athenayama and Metzinowaka - sorry about that). Needless to say the handful of actual makekoshi players won't be enjoying their revised ranking too much, either. The crunch went on until M7, after which things immediately started to look a whole lot more like they're supposed to do.

    Pandaazuma (Yw 10-5)          Y    Norizo (Ye 8-7)
    Ganzohnesushi (Ow 13-2 D)     O1   ScreechingOwl (Oe 10-5)
    Joaoiyama (S1e 11-4)          O2   -
    Oskahanada (S1w 11-4)         S1   Konosato (K2e 10-5)
    Oortael (M1e 12-3)            S2   Kintamayama (K3w 9-6)
    Unkonoyama (K1e 8-7)          K1   Susanoo (M2e 11-4)
    -                             K2   Golynohana (M2w 11-4)

    Terarno (M3e 9-6)             M1   Kaito (M1w 8-7)
    Athenayama (M5e 10-5)         M2   Metzinowaka (M5w 10-5)
    Kotononami (M7e 10-5)         M3   Toonoryu (S2e 6-9)
    Gaanaa (M4e 8-7)              M4   Andoreasu (K1w 6-9)
    DeRosa (K2w 6-9)              M5   Chishafuwaku (M13w 12-2-1)
    Kajiyanosho (J1e 13-2 Y)      M6   Flohru (M4w kosho)
    Chelseayama (M7w 8-6-1)       M7   Chijanofuji (M3w 7-7-1)
    Hidenotora (M12e 9-6)         M8   Jakusotsu (M15w 10-5)
    Asapedroryu (J2w 11-4)        M9   Hana-ichi (M13e 8-7)
    Chankoyama (M9e 7-8)          M10  Taka (M14e 8-7)
    Herritarooo (M10e 7-8)        M11  Bill (M6e 5-10)
    Kishikaisei (M6w 5-8-2)       M12  Sakura (M12w kosho)
    Achiyama (M9w 6-9)            M13  Umigame (J2e 9-6)
    Fujisan (M8e 5-8-2)           M14  Gernobono (M8w 5-10)
    Frinkanohana (M10w 5-9-1)     M15  Gawasukotto (M11e 5-10)

    Takanorappa (M11w 5-10)       J1   Asashosakari (J4e 8-7)
    Onakaderu (M14w 6-7-2)        J2   Kuroimori (J1w 7-8)
    Andonishiki (J6e 8-7)         J3   Tomisakae (J3e 7-8)
    Gansekiiwa (J7w 8-7)          J4   Ahokaina (J12w 10-5)
    GONZABUROW (J8w 8-7)          J5   Kobashi (J5w 7-8)
    Kitakachiyama (J3w 6-9)       J6   Mmikasazuma (J6w 7-4-4)
    Akishiki (J7e kosho)          J7   Balon (J4w 6-9)
    Benihana (M15e 3-12)          J8   Choshu-yuki (Ms2w 9-6)
    Ketsukai (J10e 7-8)           J9   Mariohana (Ms3w 9-6)
    Profomisakari (J9e 6-9)       J10  Netsuzakura (J11w 7-8)
    Effinojo (Ms3e 8-6-1)         J11  Saruyama (J8e 5-10)
    Rowitoro (J5e 3-12)           J12  Getayukata (J13w 7-8)
    Kyoju (J10w 5-10)             J13  Oshirokita (J13e 6-9)
    Kaiowaka (J14e kosho)         J14  Neko (Ms1w 7-7-1)

    Holleshoryu (Ms2e 7-8)        Ms1  Ulishimaru (J9w 4-11)
    Anjoboshi (J14w 6-8-1)        Ms2  Kashunowaka (J12e 4-10-1)
    Sherlockiama (Ms7e 7-5-3)     Ms3  Nantonoyama (Ms5e 6-9)
    Chudorj (Ms4e 5-10)           Ms4  Oyama (Ms4w 5-10)
    Dan Koloff (Ms1e 3-7-5)       Ms5  BariiHachiBenson (Ms6w 5-10)
    Andrasoyamawaka (J11e 0-0-15) Ms6  Unagiyutaka2 (Ms8w 5-7-3)
    Aderechelseamaru (Ms7w 4-7-4) Ms7  WAKATAKE (Ms8e 4-8-3)
    Gusoyama (Ms6e 3-10-2)        Ms8  Chartorenji (Ms9e 0-0-15)
    Sutarokku (Ms9w kosho)        Ms9  -

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  19. I kind of wonder if the reason the Kyokai only felt the need to shut down half the stable's rikishi for Covid back in May is hiding somewhere in this mess, too. That was an odd departure from protocol at the time, especially considering they were back to sidelining all of Tagonoura two months later.

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  20. And late again, so we'll have the Monday deadline this time as well, just in case.

    The lineup for Kyushu 2022:

     1. Ryuo            9
     2. Wakatakakage    7  [score?]
     3. Chiyosakae      7
     4. Ryuden          6
     5. Kinbozan        6*
     6. Chiyotora       6
     7. Inoue           6
     8. Hoshoryu        5  [score?]
     9. Hokuseiho       5
    10. Asashinjo       5
    11. Takakeisho      4  [score?]
    12. Kiribayama      4  [score?]
    13. Kotonowaka      4
    14. Roga            4

    TB: [pick?]

    (* marks rikishi with no makekoshi since debut)

    The scoring and thus your game assignment:

    • For sanyaku: Please predict an exact record for each rikishi. The target record will be calculated after the deadline and will be chosen so that it bisects the predictions as evenly as possible. The predictions will then be converted into + and - votes as usual; one point for each correct prediction.
    • For lower-ranked rikishi: Please predict for each rikishi if he will finish KK or MK; one point for each correct prediction.

    (For clarification: If you're expecting an outright makekoshi for one of the sanyaku high-rankers, just predict MK, exact records are only needed on the kachikoshi side of things.)

    First tie-breaker: From among those 14 guys up there and the further 13 rikishi who are currently just shy of a 5-KK streak (6 'veterans' + Covid-extended Nishikikuni + 4 maezumo newcomers + tsukedashi Kanzaki and Hatsuyama...whew), please guess how many KK you expect in total. Your tie-breaker guess may be anything from 0 to 27. Only exactly correct guesses qualify at this tie-breaker stage. Note: Sanyaku count as correct for the tie-breaker if they achieve KK, they do not need to meet their target records.

    Next 13 tie-breakers if needed: Correctly predicted rikishi, one-by-one in ballot order, i.e. starting at Ryuo.

    Extra tie-breakers, should two or more players have entered identical ballots: Proximity of their tie-breaker guesses to the correct number, followed by proximity of their sanyaku rikishi guesses to the correct records (one-by-one in ballot order).

    Final tie-breaker: earliest entry.

    Note: Rikishi who show up on the before-shonichi kyujo list will be excluded from scoring (even if they end up joining the basho later), so it is not necessary to re-submit your entry if you picked such a rikishi as a KK; he will not count for points anyhow. You may, however, notify me if you'd like to reduce your tie-breaker guess by one point to compensate for the "missing" rikishi. Your position on the entry list (for final tie-breaker purposes) will be deemed unchanged in this special situation. Any other changes to a ballot will be considered a new entry, with correspondingly lower priority for the final tie-breaker.

    Deadline: Shonichi noon Monday 9am JST.


    Simplified entry template:

     1. Ryuo KKMK
     2. Wakatakakage W-L
     3. Chiyosakae KKMK
     4. Ryuden KKMK
     5. Kinbozan KKMK
     6. Chiyotora KKMK
     7. Inoue KKMK
     8. Hoshoryu W-L
     9. Hokuseiho KKMK
    10. Asashinjo KKMK
    11. Takakeisho W-L
    12. Kiribayama W-L
    13. Kotonowaka KKMK
    14. Roga KKMK

    TB xx


    Good luck!

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  21. Scores for banzuke purposes:

    Asashosakari 13 (12+Top)
    Athenayama 11
    ryafuji 11
    Koorifuu 9
    Rocks 9
    Sakura 9 (8+TB)
    Holleshoryu 8
    Jejima 8
    Profomisakari 8
    chishafuwaku 8 (7+TB)
    Yarimotsu 7

    Total: 109 / 12 = 9.08 ---> -1 win

    An obvious KK/MK cut again, even if the mean score doesn't quite agree this time.

    The new banzuke for Kyushu 2022:

    Asashosakari (Ye 12-3 Y)  Y
                              YO  chishafuwaku (Yw 7-8)
    Athenayama (Oe 10-5 J)    O   ---
    Rocks (Se 8-7)            S   Tsuchinoninjin (Ow 0-0-15*)
    ryafuji (M4w 10-5 J)      K   Sakura (M1w 8-7)
    Mmikasazuma (Kw kosho)    M1  Holleshoryu (Sw 7-8)
    WAKATAKE (Ke 7-8)         M2  Koorifuu (NR 8-7)
    Hakuryuho (M2w kosho)     M3  Jejima (M2e 7-8)
    Tameiki (M3w kosho)       M4  Profomisakari (M4e 7-8)
    Yarimotsu (M3e 6-9)       M5  Chartorenji (M1e 0-0-15)

    Rather different results for the two yokozuna, although chishafuwaku wasn't far from a positive outcome. Sadly we're down to just one ozeki, however, after continued absences by Tsuchinoninjin, and Rocks not really coming close to completing his promotion run. Kadoban Athenayama easily cleared his name and as runner-up he just might bear watching in Kyushu.

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  22. Day 15

    Senshuraku brought forth two more kachikoshi, firstly for oldie Chiyosakae who continues to astound, and later in the day also for Hoshoryu who therefore remains part of the game after all.

    The final standings, showing a joint jun-yusho for Athenayama and ryafuji in the end:

    Day 15:
    15/15 Decisions, TB 10
    Pos Player Pts TB
    1 Asashosakari 12 8
    2 Athenayama 11 13
    2 ryafuji 11 14
    4 Koorifuu 9 9
    4 Rocks 9 8
    6 Sakura 8 10
    7 Holleshoryu 8 13
    7 Jejima 8 16
    7 Profomisakari 8 13
    7 WAKATAKE 8 14
    11 chishafuwaku 7 10
    12 Yarimotsu 7 11

    Sakura and chishafuwaku collect the bonus point for getting the tie-breaker right, although just the former is high enough in the standings for it to matter.

    The new ballot for Kyushu 2022:

     1. Ryuo            9
        Kiryuko         7*
     2. Wakatakakage    7
        Nishikigi       6
     3. Chiyosakae      7
        Suzuki          6
        Mukainakano     6*
     4. Ryuden          6
     5. Kinbozan        6*
     6. Chiyotora       6
     7. Inoue           6
     8. Hoshoryu        5
        Midorifuji      4
     9. Hokuseiho       5
        Gonoyama        4
    10. Asashinjo       5
    11. Takakeisho      4
    12. Kiribayama      4
    13. Kotonowaka      4
    14. Roga            4

    Plenty of sekitori action next time, including no less than four sanyaku-ranked rikishi.