Asashosakari

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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    You were the one asserting something with your "Thing is..." statement. Meanwhile: They haven't even been engaging in generosity with the likes of Daieisho who was the yusho winner at the time himself. On what basis have you concluded that merely putting dirt on the yusho winner is going to be at all relevant?
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    That's nice, but "can be" is not "are".
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    Who will join Chiyomaru and Tsurugisho in makuuchi for Nagoya 2022?

    The rule in question dates from 1997.
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    Who will join Chiyomaru and Tsurugisho in makuuchi for Nagoya 2022?

    Right, I did bring that up but it honestly feels like too much of a rolling of the dice to actually predict it with something at stake, i.e. in a potential GTB entry, and players' thought processes for that are what I'm trying to get at with this poll. Offering up just the four major possibilities for the voting seemed like the way to go to keep things from being impossible to summarize. (After all, even leaving Chiyomaru or Tsurugisho in juryo technically wouldn't break any protocol, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.) That being said, if somebody does predict Nishikifuji over Daiamami or something other than four promotions in GTB, and it turns out right, I'll be first in line to be all about it.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    Juryo -> Makuuchi promotion poll!
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    I'm not sure if it was as formalized as today (especially in the lack of discretion for the committee), but ja.wiki says that back-to-back makekoshi was normally the demotion criterion from the 1927 beginning of the modern era until the expansion to six annual tournaments, and the record seems to bear that out: demotion or intai after all double MK (and no case of a triple MK), and no demotions after a single MK. (I've started the queries at 1932 rather than 1927 to avoid the weird stuff they did the first few years with multiple basho results counting for one banzuke-making, and the like.)
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    Trivia bits

    Sadanoumi has now tied Dejima for 4th place by scoring his second kanto-sho 47 tournaments after the first. (Sanspo brought it to my attention, although they've messed up the numbers by claiming Sadanoumi is one basho short of Dejima, probably confusing the gap for the interval.)
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    Trivia bits

    The lack of a gino-sho in Natsu basho has terminated a streak of 9 consecutive tournaments that saw the prize awarded. That was the longest run with gino-sho since Kyushu 2008 to Haru 2010 (also nine tournaments).
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    Not yusho+yusho, but there has been an ozeki who became yokozuna with the next two results after a makekoshi (in 15-bout tournaments): Link
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    Same. I'd have it as: Takakento (J14e 7-8) Ms1 Kinbozan (Ms4w 5-2) Kanno (Ms6e 5-2) Ms2 Roga (Ms4e 4-3) Tomokaze (Ms10w 6-1) Ms3 Daishomaru (J11w 4-11) Kamito (Ms5w 4-3) Ms4 Chiyoarashi (J13e 4-11) Chiyonoumi (Ms1e 3-4) Ms5 Shohozan (J12e 3-12) Coinflips on Ms2e/w and Ms3e/w, the others I'm feeling more confident about in their respective positions (which doesn't mean much).
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    I must admit I've been hoping to see a yusho outcome like Daiamami/Nishikifuji's for a while, because so far the post-1997 playoff re-ranking rule has never been tested for two rikishi at the same numerical rank outside sanyaku, in any division. There have been 5 playoffs contested by rikishi at the same rank where one of them won the yusho*, but in all previous ones it was the East side guy as the winner. * i.e. disregarding playoffs where both finished runner-up to somebody else, since those are of course irrelevant to the topic. The five playoffs: 2011.01 juryo, 2016.11 jonokuchi, 2017.01 jonidan, 2021.01 jonokuchi, 2021.05 jonokuchi I do expect Daiamami to stay ahead of Nishikifuji, but there's no actual precedent to cite.
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    Irrespective of their actual outcomes in a few minutes, I'd like to say that I love the trebleheader of 10-4 vs 7-7 matchups in juryo. Meanwhile, Tsushimanada joins the relatively short list (which I suspect Yubinhaad has at the ready) of makushita rikishi with multiple 8th-bout appearances.
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    Sansho for Natsu 2022

    Based on the lack of conditions on these nor any additional sansho with conditions, I think they're expecting Terunofuji to win the yusho.
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    Sansho for Natsu 2022

    Shukun-sho: Daieisho (5th; 6th sansho overall) Shukun-sho: Takanosho (1st; 3rd sansho overall) Kanto-sho: Sadanoumi (2nd) Gino-sho: not awarded
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    The precedents so far have locked COVID kyujō rikishi at their rank, but in every case so far it's been doable without needing to cause any ripples elsewhere on the banzuke. We did already have minor demotions in juryo last year.
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    Correct. Among the last 28 makuuchi playoffs (the streak of strictly two-way playoffs since Natsu 1997), the only other exception was the Takanohana-Takanonami same-stable playoff in Kyushu 1997.
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    That's usually the case in makuuchi...
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    Natsu 2022 Discussion Thread - here be spoilers

    For a moment today's henka made me wonder if Hokuseiho is really the next yokozuna, or just the next Aran.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    Something went awry with the juryo-makushita results for Haru 1979. I'm guessing that those three bogus matchups for Ms18e Onogawa actually belong to Ms1w Chiyonishiki.
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    Trivia bits

    Nah, there's been much worse. (Although that Haru 1979 stuff looks very wrong...)
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    Trivia bits

    Tochihikari / Sadanoyama was an impossible matchup there, too. Ichimon betsu so atari system, so no matches between Kasugano and Dewanoumi rikishi. (Heya betsu didn't start until 1965, and it's evident in their head-to-head.) There have been a few 7-7 matches involving ozeki on one side, all won by them. Terunofuji is the only one who was kadoban there. (Feels like a different time entirely...)
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    Daieisho might be able to ease the crunch with 11 wins, assuming the sekiwake also play ball and finish KK.
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    Trivia bits

    Mitakeumi-Shodai was the first-ever match between two ozeki who entered the day with matching 5-7 records. Tomorrow's Mitakeumi-Takakeisho match will be the first-ever between two ozeki who entered the day with matching 6-7 records. (In fact, no ozeki makekoshi playoffs have ever happened at 7-7 either.)
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    Kabu-worthy Sekitori

    Asanoyama's best chance is probably to have a very, very long career from here on out so that as many of today's decision-makers as possible are no longer there... The real cursed kabu is Asahiyama, by the way. Five successive holders who died while active as oyakata (at the young ages of 55, 43, 44, 54 and 55), and the one who finally made it to 65 brought down the stature of the associated stable (or rather, failed to rebuild it in his two decades at the helm) to the point that it had no further successor and had to be closed down, as the last continually extant stable from Osaka's sumo organization.
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    Kabu-worthy Sekitori

    A trivia list of a different kind: Makuuchi yusho winners who did not become (permanent) oyakata. 15-day era since 1949 [full list], sorted by retirement date. Wakahaguro - highest rank ozeki, 1 yusho Tamanoumi - yokozuna, 6, died while active Kotofuji - sekiwake, 1, ~four years on loan only Akebono - yokozuna, 11, ~three years of automatic 5-year grace period only Asashoryu - yokozuna, 22, no citizenship, unwanted anyway Kotomitsuki - ozeki, 1, dismissed as rikishi Baruto - ozeki, 1, no citizenship Harumafuji - yokozuna, 9, no citizenship Kakuryu - yokozuna, 6, currently in automatic 5-year grace period currently active yusho winners: Asanoyama, Daieisho, Mitakeumi, Shodai, Takakeisho, Tamawashi, Terunofuji, Tochinoshin, Tokushoryu, Wakatakakage Tokushoryu is the one whose future made me wonder about this just now. Of course he's rather special in that he won a yusho but was never ranked in sanyaku. (There's only one other rikishi like that, from well before 1949.)