Asashosakari

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    Banzuke "BS"

    On a side-note, the match schedules the returning rikishi were given broadly corresponded to their pre-departure ranks even though those weren't acknowledged on the separate besseki ranking. Ayazakura, who left as a komusubi, had joi-type matchups, while Sotogahama, who left as M16, mostly faced low-ranked maegashira.
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    More Takatoriki nonsense.

    I suspect that issue is self-resolving because non-prospects rarely, if ever, have their career hopes asked and reported. Occasionally we read of a shisho saying he hopes to get [random recruit] to makushita in X years, obviously not meaning to imply that he already thinks the kid isn't good for anything more, but that sekitoridom won't be a sure thing. Inasmuch as recruits themselves are mentioning goals less than juryo at all, it's usually something ambitious anyway (like a middle school grad wanting to be there in two years) and presented as just a stepping stone.
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    The DB has Shoketsu's real given name as Katsuaki, but the Kyokai has the reading Yoshiaki. Confirmed (of sorts) by the handle of his Twitter account. Are there independent sources for the Katsuaki reading in his first four shikona?
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    Yes, the DB doesn't count tournaments ranked-but-already-intai towards the career summaries. For a multitude of further cases, see the many yaocho retirements prior to May 2011.
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    More Takatoriki nonsense.

    It's all very fickle altogether, not only when it involves rikishi like Hoshoryu and Oho who have the added baggage of high-profile ancestors. When Oho was stuck in high makushita for a bit people were suddenly all about started-one-year-later Roga even though he'd not actually shown anything better yet either, then both hype trains reversed course again nearly overnight after Oho did break through to juryo and Roga didn't (and hasn't, to date). I'm not even sure I'd call that overrating/underrating them, because that implies there's an actual thought process behind it. It's mostly just people mindlessly following the herd.
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    Ex-Kaounishiki finds a new job in sumo

    Looking good in the picture Chunichi used to illustrate their article: Also, easy to forget that he wasn't exactly a sumo lifer despite staying until his 40s; he's a Toyo University alum.
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    Ex-Kaounishiki finds a new job in sumo

    Man, that scared me for a moment - other sports forums I've been on tend to bring morbid news when a thread features nothing but an ex-athlete's name in the title... Glad to find it's something rather more prosperous in nature. Nice to see Kaonishiki get the opportunity. In any case, I suspect Tagonoura-oyakata can use the help. 15 rikishi is on the high side for a heya with no affiliated oyakata (since ex-Kise left, anyway), and of course Tagonoura has had his issues both health and otherwise in the not so distant past.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Scores for banzuke purposes: chishafuwaku 10 (9+Top) Athenayama 9 (8+TB) Sakura 8 Rocks 8 (7+TB) WAKATAKE 7 Asashosakari 7 (6+TB) Chartorenji 6 Hakuryuho 6 Mmikasazuma 5 Profomisakari 5 Yarimotsu 3 Total: 74 / 11 = 6.73 ---> +1 win An obvious split to the field this time around. The new banzuke for Nagoya 2022: Asashosakari (Ye 8-7) Y chishafuwaku (Oe 11-4 Y) Tsuchinoninjin (Ow kosho) O Athenayama (Se 10-5 J) Sakura (Sw 9-6) S Rocks (Kw 9-6) ryafuji (Ke kosho) K WAKATAKE (M3e 8-7) Chartorenji (M1e 7-8) M1 Holleshoryu (M1w kosho) Tameiki (M2e kosho) M2 Hakuryuho (M2w 7-8) Profomisakari (M3w 6-9) M3 Mmikasazuma (NR 6-9) Yarimotsu (M4e 4-11) M4 Jejima (M4w kosho) Two yusho on the trot? As ozeki? Yeah, that just happened. Congratulations to chishafuwaku on joining the LKS pantheon as the game's fourth yokozuna in its 13-year history, and in fact just the second one after Jejima to get promoted the classical way. (Asashosakari and Mmikasazuma did it with promotion-worthy scores across three tournaments.) Best of luck in continuing to represent yourself well as one of the game's best players! This concludes chishafuwaku's time as ozeki after 21 tournaments at the rank, comprising a short four-tournament run back in 2017 and a much longer one since May 2019 which was briefly interrupted for a one-basho demotion with immediate bounceback in September last year. Tsuchinoninjin was absent from his second tournament at the ozeki rank after a successful debut back in March, and it's hoped we see him back in action next time. The spot alongside him at the second-highest rank has been (re)taken by a familiar face - since his demotion from ozeki after the last Kyushu tournament, Athenayama has quickly proven himself worthy of another stint, with a shared 3rd-4th place result in January, shared 2nd-3rd in March, and now a solo 2nd place. Congrats!
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    (Haru results going up shortly, but I figure this has a bit more urgency.) The lineup for Natsu 2022, without Terunofuji for the first time in three years: 1. Mitakeumi 8 [score?] 2. Abi 7 [score?] 3. Kamito 6 4. Ryuo 6 5. Kitanowaka 5 6. Kiryuko 5* 7. Nobehara 5* 8. Miyagi 5* 9. Wakatakakage 4 [score?] 10. Wakamotoharu 4 11. Kotoshoho 4 12. Nishikigi 4 13. Shimazuumi 4 TB: [pick?] (* marks rikishi with no makekoshi since debut) The scoring and thus your game assignment: For sanyaku: Please predict an exact record for each rikishi. The target record will be calculated after the deadline and will be chosen so that it bisects the predictions as evenly as possible. The predictions will then be converted into + and - votes as usual; one point for each correct prediction. For lower-ranked rikishi: Please predict for each rikishi if he will finish KK or MK; one point for each correct prediction. (For clarification: If you're expecting an outright makekoshi for one of the sanyaku high-rankers, just predict MK, exact records are only needed on the kachikoshi side of things.) First tie-breaker: From among those 13 guys up there and the further 9 rikishi (8 'veterans' and Covid-extended newcomer Mukainakano) who are currently just shy of a 5-KK streak, please guess how many KK you expect in total. Your tie-breaker guess may be anything from 0 to 22. Only exactly correct guesses qualify at this tie-breaker stage. Note: Sanyaku count as correct for the tie-breaker if they achieve KK, they do not need to meet their target records. Next 12 tie-breakers if needed: Correctly predicted rikishi, one-by-one in ballot order, i.e. starting at Mitakeumi. Extra tie-breakers, should two or more players have entered identical ballots: Proximity of their tie-breaker guesses to the correct number, followed by proximity of their sanyaku rikishi guesses to the correct records (one-by-one in ballot order). Final tie-breaker: earliest entry. Note: Rikishi who show up on the before-shonichi kyujo list will be excluded from scoring (even if they end up joining the basho later), so it is not necessary to re-submit your entry if you picked such a rikishi as a KK; he will not count for points anyhow. You may, however, notify me if you'd like to reduce your tie-breaker guess by one point to compensate for the "missing" rikishi. Your position on the entry list (for final tie-breaker purposes) will be deemed unchanged in this special situation. Any other changes to a ballot will be considered a new entry, with correspondingly lower priority for the final tie-breaker. Deadline: Shonichi noon JST. ----- Simplified entry template: 1. Mitakeumi W-L 2. Abi W-L 3. Kamito KKMK 4. Ryuo KKMK 5. Kitanowaka KKMK 6. Kiryuko KKMK 7. Nobehara KKMK 8. Miyagi KKMK 9. Wakatakakage W-L 10. Wakamotoharu KKMK 11. Kotoshoho KKMK 12. Nishikigi KKMK 13. Shimazuumi KKMK TB xx ----- Good luck!
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 15 Reaching the end of LKS Natsu, we lost another two rikishi from the ballot: Abi was defeated in the sekiwake duel to finish 7-8, and Shimazuumi lost against yusho contender Daiamami in juryo. On the bright side we retained Nishikigi who collected his last-minute KK against Chiyotairyu. The final standings: Day 15: 13/13 Decisions, TB 11 Pos Player Pts TB 1 chishafuwaku 9 12 2 Athenayama 8 11 3 Sakura 8 15 4 Rocks 7 11 5 WAKATAKE 7 12 6 Asashosakari 6 11 7 Chartorenji 6 13 7 Hakuryuho 6 14 9 Mmikasazuma 5 13 9 Profomisakari 5 13 11 Yarimotsu 3 13 I had to look twice, because these results seemed oddly familiar. In fact the top three places are taken by the same players as in Haru basho, back then with Athenayama and Sakura sharing the runner-up spot. You may be seeing what I'm getting at - yes, chishafuwaku has won back-to-back tournaments, the first player to do so since Mmikasazuma back in Hatsu and Haru 2018. It is his fourth title overall. Athenayama takes the sole jun-yusho spot of the tournament, breaking away from Sakura courtesy of the correct tie-breaker choice. Two other players also benefit from having picked the right number of on- and off-ballot kachikoshi. The new ballot for Nagoya 2022: Mitakeumi 8 Abi 7 1. Kamito 7 2. Ryuo 7 Kitanowaka 5 3. Nobehara 6* 4. Kiryuko 6* Miyagi 5* 5. Wakatakakage 5 6. Wakamotoharu 5 Kotoshoho 4 7. Nishikigi 5 Shimazuumi 4 8. Chiyosakae 5 9. Kainoshima 5 10. Suzuki 5 11. Mukainakano 5* --- 12. Ryuden 4 13. Tochimaru 4 Only Wakatakakage remains in the game as a sanyaku-ranked rikishi now, and the next ballot will be headed by Kamito, the first time since Kyushu 2019 that the top spot isn't held down by a sekitori. On the upside, that's an interesting pair of 4-KK sekitori additions with Ryuden still on the way back to his old mid-maegashira stomping grounds (or is he?), and Natsu juryo newcomer Tochimaru trying to prove that his debut KK wasn't a fluke.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 14 And just like that, eight yusho hopefuls turned into one. Kamito clinched his 7th straight winning record up in the makushita promotion zone, which served to eliminate Asashosakari and Athenayama from the race. Kotoshoho then fell to a very much unexpected MK in the maegashira ranks, after which Chartorenji, Mmikasazuma, Rocks and Sakura were contenders no more. And finally sekiwake Abi dropped to 7-7 and away from his 9-win target, cutting off the path for WAKATAKE. The last man standing, regardless of the final two outcomes for Nishikigi and Shimazuumi: chishafuwaku! More on his victory in the senshuraku round-up. While Abi was left with his KK/MK decision still open, the penultimate day did see things conclude for the other two sanyaku-rankers: Seven days after missing his target, ozeki Mitakeumi found himself outright makekoshi and at the end of his 8-KK streak. Sekiwake Wakatakakage, however, grabbed his 8th win to remain on the LKS ballot for the next tournament. Day 14: 11/13 Decisions, TB 10-13 Pos Player Pts TB 1 chishafuwaku 8 12 2 Athenayama 7 11 3 Rocks 6 11 4 Sakura 6 15 5 Asashosakari 5 11 5 WAKATAKE 5 12 7 Chartorenji 5 13 8 Hakuryuho 5 14 9 Mmikasazuma 4 13 10 Profomisakari 3 13 11 Yarimotsu 2 13 Those closest to chishafuwaku no longer had enough different picks to close the gap again: Athenayama and Rocks shared the leader's selections altogether, while Sakura had just one slot to score with.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 13 Entering the basho home stretch with three new results. Wakamotoharu continues his ascent from upper juryo to upper makuuchi regular, freshly renamed mostly-sandanme veteran Ryuo (Tatsukaze until last basho) posts his 7th straight kachikoshi, and collegiate rookie Miyagi reaches the end of his debut KK streak. All of these results defied the majority predictions, Miyagi's even left egg on our faces unanimously. Honma also finished things up, but with his last minute MK he won't be joining the Nagoya ballot. Day 13: 8/13 Decisions, TB 8-15 Pos Player Pts TB 1 Athenayama 5 11 1 chishafuwaku 5 12 1 Rocks 5 11 4 Asashosakari 4 11 4 WAKATAKE 4 12 6 Chartorenji 4 13 6 Mmikasazuma 4 13 8 Sakura 4 15 9 Profomisakari 3 13 10 Hakuryuho 3 14 11 Yarimotsu 2 13 Fully eight players - everybody on 4+ points - still had a theoretical chance to win the yusho at this point, albeit with vastly different likelihoods. (Asashosakari even needed an assist by the torikumi committee, in that victory was only possible if Wakatakakage and Abi would not face each other on senshuraku...)
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 11 Nothing to report on or off the ballot. Day 12 Another missed target in sanyaku, this time for Wakatakakage after his sixth defeat. The off-ballot squad nearly completed its LKS-relevant action already, with youngster Suzuki earning a return trip to LKS - he had started his career with 9 straight KK three years ago - while ex-juryo veteran Chiyonoumi fell short of kachikoshi to miss a likely return to the paid ranks, and youngish Hokutoryu went makekoshi sidelined by injury. Only Honma's fate remained undecided at 3-3. Day 12: 5/13 Decisions, TB 6-17 Pos Player Pts TB 1 Asashosakari 4 11 1 Athenayama 4 11 1 chishafuwaku 4 12 1 Rocks 4 11 5 Chartorenji 4 13 6 Sakura 4 15 7 WAKATAKE 3 12 8 Mmikasazuma 2 13 8 Profomisakari 2 13 10 Hakuryuho 2 14 11 Yarimotsu 1 13
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 10 And finally somebody managed to stay on the ballot. Rookies Kiryuko and Nobehara are not done KK'ing yet, and complete a year of upwardly mobile records. Another rikishi was once on the ballot as a newcomer as well, but is now five years removed from that - 27-year-old Kainoshima earns his second go at LKS participation courtesy of a fifth straight KK, this one having come to him easier than the other four (which were all last-bout-win 4-3's). Back to over half the field being in the lead, obviously with no perfect scores anymore. Day 10: 4/13 Decisions, TB 5-19 Pos Player Pts TB 1 chishafuwaku 3 12 1 WAKATAKE 3 12 3 Asashosakari 3 11 3 Athenayama 3 11 3 Chartorenji 3 13 3 Rocks 3 11 7 Sakura 3 15 8 Profomisakari 2 13 9 Hakuryuho 2 14 10 Mmikasazuma 1 13 10 Yarimotsu 1 13
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 8 Another 0-4 start outside the ballot, on this day for Narutaki. Day 9 Kitanowaka had been forced to go kyujo on Day 6 with 5 losses to date, so his non-inclusion in the Day 9 torikumi assured his makekoshi for the tournament. On the flipside, the first pair of rikishi decided their promotion onto the ballot for Nagoya basho. Chiyosakae and Mukainakano ran their records to 4-1 and thus achieved KK #5. It didn't take long to get a sole leader this basho: Day 9: 2/13 Decisions, TB 2-19 Pos Player Pts TB 1 WAKATAKE 2 12 2 Asashosakari 1 11 2 Athenayama 1 11 2 Rocks 1 11 5 chishafuwaku 1 12 6 Chartorenji 1 13 6 Mmikasazuma 1 13 8 Hakuryuho 1 14 9 Sakura 1 15 10 Profomisakari 0 13 10 Yarimotsu 0 13
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    Day 7 Ozeki Mitakeumi took a fast path to four losses, so he lost sight of his 12-3 LKS goal in short order. The first off-ballot rikishi also decided his fate before the middle Sunday, unfortunately in negative fashion as well: no fifth straight kachikoshi for Asahabataki. Day 7: 1/13 Decisions, TB 0-21 Pos Player Pts TB 1 Asashosakari 1 11 1 Athenayama 1 11 1 Rocks 1 11 4 chishafuwaku 1 12 4 WAKATAKE 1 12 6 Chartorenji 1 13 6 Mmikasazuma 1 13 8 Hakuryuho 1 14 9 Sakura 1 15 10 Profomisakari 0 13 10 Yarimotsu 0 13
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Natsu 2022

    The Natsu results, with which we welcome back former yokozuna Mmikasazuma to the game. Player Mita Abi Kamito Ryuo Kita Kiryu Nobe Miyagi W'kage W'haru Koto Nishiki Shima TB Cons Hakuryuho - 11-4 - 8-7 + - + - + + + 10-5 + + - - 14 1.56 chishafuwaku - 11-4 - 8-7 + + + + + + - 9-6 - - - - 12 1.47 Yarimotsu + 12-3 + 9-6 - - + + - + + 10-5 + + - - 13 1.80 Chartorenji - 10-5 - MK - - + + + + - 9-6 - + + + 13 1.37 WAKATAKE - 11-4 + 9-6 + + - - + + + 10-5 - + + - 12 1.85 Sakura - 11-4 - 8-7 + - + + + + - 9-6 - + + - 15 1.23 Athenayama - 11-4 - MK - + + + + + - 9-6 - - - - 11 1.37 Profomisakari + 12-3 + 9-6 - - + + + + + 11-4 + + + - 13 1.64 Mmikasazuma - 11-4 + 9-6 - + + - - + - 9-6 + + - - 13 1.70 Asashosakari - 11-4 - MK - - + + + + - 9-6 - + + + 11 1.37 Rocks - 10-5 - 8-7 - + + + + + - MK - + - - 11 1.12 2:9 4:7 4:7 5:6 10:1 8:3 9:2 11:0 4:7 4:7 9:2 5:6 2:9 Results - - + + - + + - - (KK) + - + - Tricky predictions about Mitakeumi's likely result with most entrants going for 11-4. There were two predictions above and two below, so it was a push for his target record. As usual I used the parity of the sum total of the tie-breaker predictions; 138 being even, 12 wins was chosen as the target over the alternative possibility of 11. Abi's target narrowly escaped the same procedure with four people choosing better than 8 wins and three others worse, so Abi was made to aim for 9 wins. The other sekiwake Wakatakakage proved easier to set on course, going for 10 wins as almost nobody projected fewer than 9 for him. Chartorenji and Asashosakari produced identical ballots, separated only by their tie-breaker picks.
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    Invite for GTB- July (Nagoya) 2022- 155 entries - RESULTS!!

    I mean, that's more an entirely different use case than an upgrade. My helper file has always been geared towards people who prefer to build the new ranking from the old one, rather than directly in an empty slate.
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    Invite for GTB- July (Nagoya) 2022- 155 entries - RESULTS!!

    In case there's some demand for it, I've finally gone back to update the helper spreadsheet again after a couple of years: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VnH1QuxGBYnEVO2TZ-cl4CMCLgDEdeN_jI3pETC7Vx4/
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    Sumo Reference Updates

    The head-to-head between Kotokanyu and Kyokushuzan shows a total of 3-1 even though they've only met three times. The interim results after the first two matches are correctly listed as 1-0 and 2-0, but their third meeting shows up when queried for "head-to-head 3-0 before the bout", so Kotokanyu is going from 2-0 to 3-0 in phantom fashion somewhere. Since I ran into this completely at random, I'm now left to wonder if there are any other such unnoticed discrepancies.
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    Trivia bits

    Chiyosakae is the 9th rikishi in history to post five consecutive 5-2 records, and the fourth among them to get promoted to juryo at the end. (The other maximum-length KK streaks: 14x three 7-0, 2x five 6-1, 6x seven 4-3.)
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    Asanoyama's COVID violation suspension and comeback

    It's not exactly unheard of that even very strong high school rookies will pick up an early loss against some random opponent in high sandanme, and I'm not sure he and Asanoyama will be ranked sufficiently close to each other to meet before that's likely to happen. (Leaving aside that it's just 50/50 whether they get to meet early on even if they are ranked close enough.)
  23. Now on https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/year_schedule/. Hatsu: January 14-28 [banzuke: Monday, December 25] Haru: March 10-24 Natsu: May 12-26 [banzuke: Tuesday, April 30] Nagoya: July 14-28 [banzuke: Monday, June 24] Aki: September 8-22 Kyushu: November 10-24 The banzuke release for Hatsu gets in ahead of the Christmas holidays as usual, and April 29 is a holiday as well so Natsu will come out a day later, but I'm not entirely sure why they've moved up the Nagoya release.
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    Who will join Chiyomaru and Tsurugisho in makuuchi for Nagoya 2022?

    I meant "wisdom of the crowds" in terms of accurately predicting the Kyokai's decision-making; I was hoping the "what do you think is most likely..." phrasing of the poll questions made that clear enough. Of course we could have just waited for people's GTB entries to see who they've sent up to makuuchi in there, but that would only tell us each entrant's top choice and not how close their expectations were overall, hence the poll.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Natsu 2022

    I'm saying that you don't appear to have any basis for insinuating that it is relevant besides a subjective feeling of "it oughta be like that". Meanwhile there's plenty of evidence in other recent decisions - I cited Daieisho not getting to be sekiwake after his yusho as one of the more infamous ones - that achieving particular feats of strength beyond the pure win-loss record isn't being considered positively, quite the opposite if anything.