Asashosakari

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    GTB invite- Aki 2022 - RESULTS!!

    Only back-to-back absences result in a zero-point score.
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    Hiro Morita’s “Sumo Prime Time”

    I strongly doubt that a Kyokai-supported initiative will be spotlighting anything or anyone below juryo. Not because it would target a niche audience, but because it goes against the whole "you're only somebody once you're a sekitori" ethos.
  3. I mean... Tsunenohana 14 years (retired 1930 -> rijicho at age 47, 1944-1957) Futabayama 12 years (retired 1945 -> rijicho at age 45, 1957-1968) - died in office Dewanohana 28 years (retired 1940 -> rijicho at age 59, 1968-1974) - stop-gap candidate after Futabayama's death Tochinishiki 14 years (retired 1960 -> rijicho at age 48, 1974-1988) Wakanohana 26 years (retired 1962 -> rijicho at age 59, 1988-1992) - transitional candidate, same generation as Tochinishiki Sadanoyama 24 years (retired 1968 -> rijicho at age 53, 1992-1998) - retired due to lack of confidence Yutakayama 30 years (retired 1968 -> rijicho at age 60, 1998-2002) - stop-gap candidate after Sadanoyama's loss of confidence Kitanoumi 17 years (retired 1985 -> rijicho at age 48, 2002-2008) - retired due to marijuana scandal of heya's rikishi Mienoumi 28 years (retired 1980 -> rijicho at age 60, 2008-2010) - stop-gap candidate after Kitanoumi's retirement, retired himself due to health issues Kaiketsu 31 years (retired 1979 -> rijicho at age 62, 2010-2012) - stop-gap candidate after Mienoumi's retirement Kitanoumi again 2012-2015 - died in office Hokutoumi 23 years (retired 1992 -> rijicho at age 52, 2015-now) Generally speaking, it's only the transitional and emergency candidates who had to wait a long time, and it can't really be called "wait" anyway since most of them weren't actually expected to ever get the post. The obvious candidates have all become chairman in their late 40s or early 50s. The same is likely going to be true for whoever out of Kisenosato/Kakuryu/Hakuho gets to become rijicho in the mid-2030s, making for a wait of under 20 years for him. Hakkaku right now is kind of a weird case since he's both a stop-gap and a young rijicho, as a combination of a very early retirement from the dohyo, Kitanoumi's death opening up the position two and a half years early, and the obvious successor candidate Takanohana flaming out (he'd have been 45 at the time of Kitanoumi's expected 2018 retirement).
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    The true test for Hokuseiho won't come until he regularly has to contend with heavy-duty pushers like Chiyotairyu, Aoiyama or Tamawashi. Mitoryu also manages to make himself look very heavy in yotsu, but becomes very light when put under pressure and forced to be mobile.
  5. In short, the site was a really big deal starting some 20 years ago, because they were the only ones dedicated to writing detailed match summaries in an era when it was very hard to get video coverage unless you either lived in Japan, or paid for TV Japan / NHK World Premium, or were able to align your life schedule with the broadcast of the Kyokai's grainy live stream. People were also doing summaries here and on the old Sumo Mailing List, but only intermittently and not anywhere near as focused as Sumotalk's writers did. Unfortunately, their most prolific writers were the type of foreigners-living-in-Japan who think they know everything better than their hosts do, which got expressed in a massive pushing of a Japan / the Kyokai vs. the World narrative in their sumo stuff. That first led to them being some of the world's biggest Asashoryu apologists during his various misadventures, and after he was forced out of sumo, they went off the conspiratorial deep end altogether. At some point their remaining audience became essentially cut off entirely from the rest of the international sumo fandom. I have no idea how much of a following they have these days. Around the same time as Asa's exit we also started to get much better video from the Kyokai for free for a few years - ironically because of low popularity (NHK BS ceased broadcasting from jonokuchi to sandanme, so the Kyokai had to step in) as well as scandal (NHK refused to broadcast Nagoya 2010 altogether after the gambling scandal) - which probably contributed to Sumotalk's marginalization over time. Since they were mentioned as a modern-day version: For as good as Tachiai's written tournament coverage is, relative to the overall "marketplace" of sumo content, Sumotalk was a much, much bigger player in its heyday.
  6. I came close to drawing the Sumotalk comparison maybe a year and a half ago on Reddit but thought better of it at the last moment, when the Chris Gould hype was at maximum cringe over there (nowadays it has swung way in the opposite direction if anything). The even then already increasingly off the wall opinions combined with the rabid fanbase, it had all the hallmarks of where Sumotalk eventually went - a sizable amount of loyalists, but ignored-to-shunned by nearly all the rest of sumo's fandom. Would be unfortunate if he ended up in that purgatory, but if anything I'm stunned that he seems to be ahead of the schedule I envisioned back then.
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    Corona and sumo

    Or they've been tagged with cases referring to rikishi (or personnel) whose infection took place when they were still in Oguruma.
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    That sounds like putting the cart before the horse (from the kids' point of view), and I also doubt that either Ishiura senior or Ishiura junior would be recruiting for the school with a "how will Hakuho like this kid in three/seven years" mindset to begin with. It's not like Hakuho would refuse talented applicants from other schools anyway. Kokonoe-beya wasn't exactly brimming with talent that actually might have grown up watching Chiyonofuji (link). That's only five people who made juryo from the appropriate age groups, including two who just had the proverbial cup of coffee, and they were recruited in the 1980s anyway, so it wasn't Chiyonofuji-as-shisho that drove their decision. And of the other three one more's another 80s recruit (although Tomoefuji apparently was in fact a Chiyonofuji uchideshi, as was Chiyotenzan later on), and Chiyotaikai had little to no interest in sumo growing up; his ja.wiki profile states that he knew who Chiyonofuji was by name, but not much else about either him or Ozumo as a whole.
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    Juryo promotions for Aki 2022

    Not getting to juryo with back-to-back 4-3's in the top 5 ranks is on the unlucky side, though.
  10. To be clear, my issue wasn't with reading between the lines, but rather with the "[sanyo] was the second item" start to your response, since that's literally not true. A heya succession announcement 10 years ago would have looked exactly the same.
  11. Hmm? All we can know from that statement is that he's not retiring from the Kyokai today, which is entirely unsurprising since his 65th birthday isn't for another month.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    FWIW, I've considered that possibility for the lower divisions and I suppose there's so much room for generosity in makuuchi this time that it might be feasible there too, but it would make the aforementioned crunch in mid-juryo even worse. That said, I'm not sure about "everybody" when e.g. somebody like Hidenoumi would see himself sail past Tohakuryu even though it's 6-9 vs 3-7.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    I see no reason to assume any kind of automatism that would extend to every possible candidate. In the previous case, it was clearly Asanoyama who was lucky to tag along with Hokutofuji, not the other way around. Edit: If we had a basho with all-KK sanyaku, M1e 8-7, M1w 10-5, and M2e 9-6, would you seriously expect three extra komusubi to be more likely than two + the M2e getting shuffled to M1e?
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    I don't really see how that follows, considering they're regularly going against the by-the-numbers rank/record suggested promotions when a M1e kachikoshi is involved (most recently after Haru).
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    That sounds more like Kitanofuji babble, not a YDC comment.
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    You're talking about something completely different now, qualitative comments about ozeki performance that already happened. I was responding specifically to this part: That implied that it's somehow for the YDC to determine what Mitakeumi's fate ought to be going forward. If you've got any prior examples of them attempting to interfere with the banzuke-making like that, I'm all ears.
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    What exactly do you expect them to discuss about it? "Member 1: The Kyokai will have Mitakeumi stay kadoban now, is that how it works? --- Member 2: Ayup, I guess so..." As an internal rules question for the Kyokai it's absolutely not the YDC's remit, so there's nothing meaningful that they could contribute to the topic even in a theoretical manner.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Nagoya 2022

    Astonishingly, LKS managed to escape the Covid carnage completely unscathed, at least for this basho. We did have five rikishi from stables that were unable to get through the entire tournament, but Nakaishi (Hanaregoma) and Kototaiga (Sadogatake) were absent from the start, while Nishikigi (Isenoumi, KK), Daishoki (Oitekaze, MK) and Kototakuya (Sadogatake, MK) all reached a gameplay-relevant outcome before their respective exits. Nakaishi's full kyujo was particularly fortunate for the game as his stable was among the first to withdraw and short of a 4-0 or 0-4 start he wouldn't have made it as an active competitor. Full results shortly. I do dread having to figure out who qualifies as a rikishi on a KK streak for the next few tournaments, however...
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    That would be a rather novel development if the YDC were to decide who's kadoban and who isn't...
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    New Juryo for Nagoya 2022

    New: Nishikawa, now Gonoyama 豪ノ山 ごうのやま - Ms1w 4-3, Takekuma-beya, Osaka, 24 years old Chiyosakae - Ms3e 5-2, Kokonoe-beya, Kyoto, 31 years old Oshoma - Ms8e, 7-0 Y, Naruto-beya, Mongolia, 25 years old Returning: Hokuseiho - Ms2e 5-2, Miyagino-beya, Hokkaido, 20 years old, 2nd promotion, back after 3 basho First sekitori each for ex-Kotooshu's Naruto-beya and for ex-Goeido's Takekuma-beya. Chiyosakae, at 31y 10m, becomes the fourth-oldest new sekitori after WWII, following Dewanosato, Ononishiki and Kaonishiki.
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    Trivia bits

    Rikishi (15-bout era) who started their sekitori career with at least 9 wins in each of their first two tournaments and never reached makuuchi: Rikishi Debut Debut Rk Records After Rk High Rk J Basho Wakatsubaki 1952.09 J17w 10-5 ➝ 9-6 J8e J2w 9 Chikugoyama 1954.03 J21e 13-2 D ➝ 10-5 J4e J2e 14 Sakunobori 1957.09 J22w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J14w J6w 27 Nishinaka 1958.07 J23e 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J13e J7w 9 Tamanoura 1958.09 J22w 10-5 ➝ 10-5 J7e J7e 10 Suiryu 1977.07 J13w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J3w J2e 22 Hakuryu 1979.05 J13w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J4e J1w 47 Dairaido 2005.09 J14e 9-6 ➝ 10-5 J2e J2e 6 Kotokuni 2009.01 J14w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J4w J4w 4 Asanowaka 2021.11 J13e 10-5 ➝ 9-6 J4e (J4e) (5) Full list of 9 ➝ 9 starters in juryo, plus those who made makuuchi after one basho.
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    New Juryo for Nagoya 2022

    Now also the oldest juryo debutant to finish kachikoshi. The previous record holder was Kotokuni, 9th on the overall age list at 30y 5m.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    Quick proof-of-concept attempt at juryo, disregarding all bouts missed due to Covid: Mitoryu (J4w 9-6) M16 Hiradoumi (J8e 10-5) Chiyomaru (M17w 6-9) J1 Shimanoumi (M9e 1-14) Chiyonokuni (J5e 8-7) J2 Atamifuji (J6e 8-7) Bushozan (J6w 8-7) J3 Kagayaki (J3e 7-8) Azumaryu (J2e 4-6) J4 Hidenoumi (J1w 6-9) Asanowaka (J4e 7-8) J5 Akua (J7e 8-7) Kotokuzan (J7w 8-7) J6 Churanoumi (J9w 9-6) Hokuseiho (J13w 11-4) J7 Enho (J8w 8-7) Daiamami (M16w 2-8-2) J8 Tohakuryu (J2w 3-7) Daishoho (J3w 4-8) J9 Shimazuumi (J10e 5-3) Kaisho (J9e 5-6) J10 Tokushoryu (J5w 5-10) Chiyosakae (J14e 9-6) J11 Kitanowaka (J12e 8-7) Oshoma (J13e 5-3) J12 Gonoyama (J14w 8-7) Kinbozan (Ms1w 6-1) J13 Tochimaru (J11w 6-9) Kanno (Ms2w 5-2) J14 Takakento (Ms1e 4-3) Quite ugly from J6 to J9 where too many rikishi deserve to be J8 and better, but overall it's really no worse than many "normal" rankings in juryo.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    Shonannoumi?
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    That's where the lack of objective standards comes in... It certainly feels like the last few years' lenient treatment of MKs will have to mean he's safe there given the unimpressive scores in juryo, but it's always possible that they suddenly get back to some kind of "he's MK at what's now the last rank => he has to go" thinking, and they just decide to bring up whoever in his place.