Asashosakari

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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    That would be a rather novel development if the YDC were to decide who's kadoban and who isn't...
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    New Juryo for Nagoya 2022

    New: Nishikawa, now Gonoyama 豪ノ山 ごうのやま - Ms1w 4-3, Takekuma-beya, Osaka, 24 years old Chiyosakae - Ms3e 5-2, Kokonoe-beya, Kyoto, 31 years old Oshoma - Ms8e, 7-0 Y, Naruto-beya, Mongolia, 25 years old Returning: Hokuseiho - Ms2e 5-2, Miyagino-beya, Hokkaido, 20 years old, 2nd promotion, back after 3 basho First sekitori each for ex-Kotooshu's Naruto-beya and for ex-Goeido's Takekuma-beya. Chiyosakae, at 31y 10m, becomes the fourth-oldest new sekitori after WWII, following Dewanosato, Ononishiki and Kaonishiki.
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    Trivia bits

    Rikishi (15-bout era) who started their sekitori career with at least 9 wins in each of their first two tournaments and never reached makuuchi: Rikishi Debut Debut Rk Records After Rk High Rk J Basho Wakatsubaki 1952.09 J17w 10-5 ➝ 9-6 J8e J2w 9 Chikugoyama 1954.03 J21e 13-2 D ➝ 10-5 J4e J2e 14 Sakunobori 1957.09 J22w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J14w J6w 27 Nishinaka 1958.07 J23e 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J13e J7w 9 Tamanoura 1958.09 J22w 10-5 ➝ 10-5 J7e J7e 10 Suiryu 1977.07 J13w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J3w J2e 22 Hakuryu 1979.05 J13w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J4e J1w 47 Dairaido 2005.09 J14e 9-6 ➝ 10-5 J2e J2e 6 Kotokuni 2009.01 J14w 9-6 ➝ 9-6 J4w J4w 4 Asanowaka 2021.11 J13e 10-5 ➝ 9-6 J4e (J4e) (5) Full list of 9 ➝ 9 starters in juryo, plus those who made makuuchi after one basho.
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    New Juryo for Nagoya 2022

    Now also the oldest juryo debutant to finish kachikoshi. The previous record holder was Kotokuni, 9th on the overall age list at 30y 5m.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    Quick proof-of-concept attempt at juryo, disregarding all bouts missed due to Covid: Mitoryu (J4w 9-6) M16 Hiradoumi (J8e 10-5) Chiyomaru (M17w 6-9) J1 Shimanoumi (M9e 1-14) Chiyonokuni (J5e 8-7) J2 Atamifuji (J6e 8-7) Bushozan (J6w 8-7) J3 Kagayaki (J3e 7-8) Azumaryu (J2e 4-6) J4 Hidenoumi (J1w 6-9) Asanowaka (J4e 7-8) J5 Akua (J7e 8-7) Kotokuzan (J7w 8-7) J6 Churanoumi (J9w 9-6) Hokuseiho (J13w 11-4) J7 Enho (J8w 8-7) Daiamami (M16w 2-8-2) J8 Tohakuryu (J2w 3-7) Daishoho (J3w 4-8) J9 Shimazuumi (J10e 5-3) Kaisho (J9e 5-6) J10 Tokushoryu (J5w 5-10) Chiyosakae (J14e 9-6) J11 Kitanowaka (J12e 8-7) Oshoma (J13e 5-3) J12 Gonoyama (J14w 8-7) Kinbozan (Ms1w 6-1) J13 Tochimaru (J11w 6-9) Kanno (Ms2w 5-2) J14 Takakento (Ms1e 4-3) Quite ugly from J6 to J9 where too many rikishi deserve to be J8 and better, but overall it's really no worse than many "normal" rankings in juryo.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    Shonannoumi?
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    That's where the lack of objective standards comes in... It certainly feels like the last few years' lenient treatment of MKs will have to mean he's safe there given the unimpressive scores in juryo, but it's always possible that they suddenly get back to some kind of "he's MK at what's now the last rank => he has to go" thinking, and they just decide to bring up whoever in his place.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    In the realm of non-standard banzuke decisions, I don't believe this case from a few years ago was brought up yet: It looks like they've essentially treated his record as 4-2, as though the bout in question never happened. That's going to be quite the trivia answer in the future... The fun part here is that they already had an excess of promotees from sandanme even without him. Very heavy demotions from makushita as a result of that. The real loser is now Rikito who got dropped to sandanme while both Nishiyama and his opponent are in makushita (which wouldn't have happened without the misjudgement). Context Of course it's impossible to know if they really intended to treat the bogus loss as "did not happen" and scored him like a 4-2, or if the logic was just simply "we cost him the chance to get promoted, let's stick him in the last spot". (That happened in a different way once, but not via a judging error - Futagozakura's record was misread as 6-1 rather than 7-0 + playoff loss, and they originally put him at Jd44e instead of the Sd95-ish he deserved to be. Upon discovery they created Sd101e for him to avoid changing anything else.) But it's clear from that Nishiyama case that it's certainly not impossible for them to discount/disregard scores that are considered unwarranted. Of course they'd have to do it x150 or so this time around...
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    Nagoya 2022

    Ms1w was still in the cards at the time, no? Tomokaze wasn't kachikoshi yet.
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    Nagoya 2022

    That's roughly where I'm at. If taking only the records as actually fought, there fortunately aren't really any rikishi who were denied the opportunity to battle on for a potential divisional promotion or against a looming demotion. It would be different if, say, Daiamami had exited at 5-5-2 rather than 2-8-2, or Oshoma at 3-5 instead of 5-3. Limiting things only to unquestionably "worthy" exchanges should be a workable option here. The one done by the hardest is arguably Kotonowaka, but then it's been difficult to get promoted to sanyaku with worthy records even under normal circumstances lately. After that, the closest to bad luck are probably Azumaryu (exited 4-6 at J2e) and Daishomaru (exited 3-3 at Ms3w), but those were already severe longshots for credible promotion cases.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    That implies that there's some sort of objective standard by which to assign an ordinal ranking that then just gets transformed into banzuke form, but neither part reflects how the banzuke is actually created.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    I think it is beyond the NSK's collective cognitive capabilities. I think they just deal with him separately and just keep him kadoban next basho, since it's easier to justify that way because of his ōzeki status. Yeah demoting someone with a kachi-koshi goes against such core principles that it would break their brains. Not sure why you guys are focusing on the Kyokai's supposed shortcomings here. The core problem with demoting any ozeki after an 8-7 would be with the public. Complete nonsense suggestion in any real-world setting.
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    Rikishi Status - 2022 Nagoya Basho

    I wonder what they're going to do with fully absent rikishi from Covid-affected stables other than Tagonoura. Naruto's Yamane in jonokuchi in particular, who would normally have to drop off the banzuke - but who's to say that he wouldn't have shown up for at least one bout if he'd been allowed to? In theory that goes for every rikishi who was 0-0-x at the time his stable was removed from competition, but obviously late joins are exceedingly rare outside the lowest division.
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    Trivia bits

    Since it's easier to check than makuuchi - the very first result of this turns out to have been 13 straight. (East wins though, not East losses.) Probably not the record, but in any case I don't think 9 is all that rare.
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    Corona and sumo

    50 years ago, but it's been done before. Check the rikishi who went 3-0, 2-1 and 1-2 there in jonidan and compare to the 5-2, 4-3 and 3-4 records around them. (0-3 was treated like 1-6, however, not like 2-5.)
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    Corona and sumo

    Why? There's nothing that says that e.g. somebody who exited involuntarily with a 5-2 record can't be treated based on that win-loss differential (which would be equivalent to a 9-6), and it would certainly be no less fair than throwing out the result altogether. The only sticking point would be the joi where the schedules are highly uneven if incomplete, everybody else will have had a relatively fair crack at however many bouts they got through. Whether they'll opt to open that can of worms is a different matter, assuming they finish the basho at all at this point.
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    Rikishi Status - 2022 Nagoya Basho

    All five sekitori listed as kyujo now on the Kyokai site. Surely more heya-wide exits. As with the Musashigawa withdrawal, apparently only after the day's action had already started - the very first Sadogatake rikishi, Kotofuno in jonokuchi, actually still competed, then the fusenpai parade began.
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    Farcical basho?

    The Taiho-Toda bout was officiated by Shikimori Inosuke 22, the later Kimura Shonosuke 26. The Kitanofuji-Takanohana bout was officiated by Kimura Shonosuke 25.
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    Moderna Using Sumo in its Ads

    Yup, was mentioned at the time.
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    Shimpan news and schedules

    I was recently asked about personnel movements in the shimpan department, and to my dismay I realized that I had completely lost track of changes that happened as little as a year ago. And researching that stuff on the forum turned out to be quite arduous, because so far shimpan updates have been posted in all manner of places (the kabu thread, rikishi status, basho talk, completely separate threads...), which makes them rather hard to find later if you don't already know what you're looking for. So, I'm hoping that this thread may become the future one-stop place for shimpan news. In addition, there will be each basho's shimpan shift lineups, so if you're ever watching a live broadcast and wondering who's sitting around the dohyo at that moment, this thread will hopefully allow you to find the answer. All data is sourced from the official torikumi sheets, such as this one from Nagoya 2017 Day 1.
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    Trivia bits

    And the follow-up query to that would be this.
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    Trivia bits

    Isn't it 13 for 1975.07? I suspect your query included the 6-2 and 5-3 juryo guys who fought in makuuchi on Day 8.
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    Trivia bits

    Hmm, something like this?
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    Nagoya 2022

    Athletes are still getting taken out of competitions due to Covid everywhere in the world, it's not like the Kyokai is doing anything special here. Bold prediction: Nobody's going to have to think about it, because the Kyokai will be telling us by one hour after the banzuke-making session at the latest.
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    Trivia bits

    Yep! No other makuuchi playoff has ever featured a match between two rikishi who also met on Day 1. It's been rather more common in juryo - which was my actual starting point for checking it, because it occurred there again just recently. 5 cases of direct head-to-head playoffs, along with another 5 (somewhat less interesting) cases involving 3+ rikishi playoffs where the pairing repeated from Day 1 was just one of several playoff bouts. The "proper" cases: 1986.01, 2003.01, 2011.01, 2018.07, and 2022.05. The ones in extended playoffs: 1963.03 (3-way), 1972.09 (6-way), 1979.09 (4-way), 1989.05 (5-way), and 1989.09 (3-way).