Asashosakari

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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    Onoe-beya comes to mind as a stable that lacked any sort of a tsukebito support structure - at one point shortly after the stable's creation it had four sekitori, two obvious sekitori-to-be, and only two rikishi likely to remain bound to the lower ranks. And it didn't really get that much better over time, outside of the stable losing three of its sekitori-experienced rikishi in the yaocho scandal and reducing its tsukebito needs that way unintentionally. Of course, a key difference to Hakuho's Miyagino-beya is that Onoe "only" had a strong recruiting pipeline for top-tier talent (via Nihon U. in his case), but wasn't the kind of high-profile oyakata who could interest lesser applicants on his name value alone, like a former yokozuna or ozeki does. And the line to Nihon didn't remain open for more than a few years, so no building of a perpetual powerhouse heya. But the churn factor may be more relevant anyway. I suspect a big reason that stables like Tamanoi and Sadogatake manage to not only recruit a lot but also hold on to their deshi for a while is that they're running a reasonably upbeat heya atmosphere. I like to think that Hakuho will be on the progressive end of the spectrum as far as that goes, but we used to think that about Takanohana-beya at one point, too, and that one turned out to be more on the hellhole end by most accounts.
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    I dunno. The Hakkaku era seems to have been one of restoration of the traditional peace and quiet behind the scenes, so I don't really see stables changing ichimon anymore. Maybe the way Shikihide-beya did, as part of an off-ichimon successor taking over, but that's about it.
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    GTB invite- Aki 2022- 51 entries so far, 10 days to go

    Well, that's what people like to tell themselves, and then they score 43 points because actual committee practice is making a lot more slots uncertain...
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    GTB invite- Aki 2022- 51 entries so far, 10 days to go

    Am I the only one confused by this tangent considering the original wish was for a 15-0 record, which happens in every GTB edition?
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    GTB invite- Aki 2022- 51 entries so far, 10 days to go

    I had the same impression. As earlier comments alluded to, Ichiyamamoto's record is probably the biggest wildcard in how they treat it. (I suspect he's way too high where I've currently slotted him in.)
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    Hakuho's best bet might be to keep making lots of sekitori, not only to demonstrate that Miyagino is the most relevant heya in the ichimon regardless of Isegahama-oyakata being the titular head, but also to get the group as a whole back to a point - in 10-15 years when his first-wave guys are done competing - where they have enough oyakata to reliably elect two riji again...
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    GTB invite- Aki 2022- 51 entries so far, 10 days to go

    Only back-to-back absences result in a zero-point score.
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    Hiro Morita’s “Sumo Prime Time”

    I strongly doubt that a Kyokai-supported initiative will be spotlighting anything or anyone below juryo. Not because it would target a niche audience, but because it goes against the whole "you're only somebody once you're a sekitori" ethos.
  9. I mean... Tsunenohana 14 years (retired 1930 -> rijicho at age 47, 1944-1957) Futabayama 12 years (retired 1945 -> rijicho at age 45, 1957-1968) - died in office Dewanohana 28 years (retired 1940 -> rijicho at age 59, 1968-1974) - stop-gap candidate after Futabayama's death Tochinishiki 14 years (retired 1960 -> rijicho at age 48, 1974-1988) Wakanohana 26 years (retired 1962 -> rijicho at age 59, 1988-1992) - transitional candidate, same generation as Tochinishiki Sadanoyama 24 years (retired 1968 -> rijicho at age 53, 1992-1998) - retired due to lack of confidence Yutakayama 30 years (retired 1968 -> rijicho at age 60, 1998-2002) - stop-gap candidate after Sadanoyama's loss of confidence Kitanoumi 17 years (retired 1985 -> rijicho at age 48, 2002-2008) - retired due to marijuana scandal of heya's rikishi Mienoumi 28 years (retired 1980 -> rijicho at age 60, 2008-2010) - stop-gap candidate after Kitanoumi's retirement, retired himself due to health issues Kaiketsu 31 years (retired 1979 -> rijicho at age 62, 2010-2012) - stop-gap candidate after Mienoumi's retirement Kitanoumi again 2012-2015 - died in office Hokutoumi 23 years (retired 1992 -> rijicho at age 52, 2015-now) Generally speaking, it's only the transitional and emergency candidates who had to wait a long time, and it can't really be called "wait" anyway since most of them weren't actually expected to ever get the post. The obvious candidates have all become chairman in their late 40s or early 50s. The same is likely going to be true for whoever out of Kisenosato/Kakuryu/Hakuho gets to become rijicho in the mid-2030s, making for a wait of under 20 years for him. Hakkaku right now is kind of a weird case since he's both a stop-gap and a young rijicho, as a combination of a very early retirement from the dohyo, Kitanoumi's death opening up the position two and a half years early, and the obvious successor candidate Takanohana flaming out (he'd have been 45 at the time of Kitanoumi's expected 2018 retirement).
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    Retirements after Natsu 2022

    Sanspo was fastest this time, releasing the list of 16 retiring rikishi including former short-time sekitori Irodori (Shikoroyama) and Gokushindo (Nishikido) whose intai were already announced on senshuraku. The others: Mugendai (Fujishima) Fukamiyama (Onoe) Taichiyama (Tokiwayama) Azumasato (Tamanoi) Hokutokawa (Hakkaku) Akashifuji (Tagonoura) Amatsu (Onomatsu) Oazuma (Tamanoi) Sakurafuji (Isegahama) Hokutohiro (Hakkaku) Ariake (Isenoumi) Hokutoo (Hakkaku) Onofuji (Isegahama) Zendaisho (Takadagawa)
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    The true test for Hokuseiho won't come until he regularly has to contend with heavy-duty pushers like Chiyotairyu, Aoiyama or Tamawashi. Mitoryu also manages to make himself look very heavy in yotsu, but becomes very light when put under pressure and forced to be mobile.
  12. In short, the site was a really big deal starting some 20 years ago, because they were the only ones dedicated to writing detailed match summaries in an era when it was very hard to get video coverage unless you either lived in Japan, or paid for TV Japan / NHK World Premium, or were able to align your life schedule with the broadcast of the Kyokai's grainy live stream. People were also doing summaries here and on the old Sumo Mailing List, but only intermittently and not anywhere near as focused as Sumotalk's writers did. Unfortunately, their most prolific writers were the type of foreigners-living-in-Japan who think they know everything better than their hosts do, which got expressed in a massive pushing of a Japan / the Kyokai vs. the World narrative in their sumo stuff. That first led to them being some of the world's biggest Asashoryu apologists during his various misadventures, and after he was forced out of sumo, they went off the conspiratorial deep end altogether. At some point their remaining audience became essentially cut off entirely from the rest of the international sumo fandom. I have no idea how much of a following they have these days. Around the same time as Asa's exit we also started to get much better video from the Kyokai for free for a few years - ironically because of low popularity (NHK BS ceased broadcasting from jonokuchi to sandanme, so the Kyokai had to step in) as well as scandal (NHK refused to broadcast Nagoya 2010 altogether after the gambling scandal) - which probably contributed to Sumotalk's marginalization over time. Since they were mentioned as a modern-day version: For as good as Tachiai's written tournament coverage is, relative to the overall "marketplace" of sumo content, Sumotalk was a much, much bigger player in its heyday.
  13. I came close to drawing the Sumotalk comparison maybe a year and a half ago on Reddit but thought better of it at the last moment, when the Chris Gould hype was at maximum cringe over there (nowadays it has swung way in the opposite direction if anything). The even then already increasingly off the wall opinions combined with the rabid fanbase, it had all the hallmarks of where Sumotalk eventually went - a sizable amount of loyalists, but ignored-to-shunned by nearly all the rest of sumo's fandom. Would be unfortunate if he ended up in that purgatory, but if anything I'm stunned that he seems to be ahead of the schedule I envisioned back then.
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    Corona and sumo

    Or they've been tagged with cases referring to rikishi (or personnel) whose infection took place when they were still in Oguruma.
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    Hakuhou is now Miyagino

    That sounds like putting the cart before the horse (from the kids' point of view), and I also doubt that either Ishiura senior or Ishiura junior would be recruiting for the school with a "how will Hakuho like this kid in three/seven years" mindset to begin with. It's not like Hakuho would refuse talented applicants from other schools anyway. Kokonoe-beya wasn't exactly brimming with talent that actually might have grown up watching Chiyonofuji (link). That's only five people who made juryo from the appropriate age groups, including two who just had the proverbial cup of coffee, and they were recruited in the 1980s anyway, so it wasn't Chiyonofuji-as-shisho that drove their decision. And of the other three one more's another 80s recruit (although Tomoefuji apparently was in fact a Chiyonofuji uchideshi, as was Chiyotenzan later on), and Chiyotaikai had little to no interest in sumo growing up; his ja.wiki profile states that he knew who Chiyonofuji was by name, but not much else about either him or Ozumo as a whole.
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    Juryo promotions for Aki 2022

    Not getting to juryo with back-to-back 4-3's in the top 5 ranks is on the unlucky side, though.
  17. To be clear, my issue wasn't with reading between the lines, but rather with the "[sanyo] was the second item" start to your response, since that's literally not true. A heya succession announcement 10 years ago would have looked exactly the same.
  18. Hmm? All we can know from that statement is that he's not retiring from the Kyokai today, which is entirely unsurprising since his 65th birthday isn't for another month.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    FWIW, I've considered that possibility for the lower divisions and I suppose there's so much room for generosity in makuuchi this time that it might be feasible there too, but it would make the aforementioned crunch in mid-juryo even worse. That said, I'm not sure about "everybody" when e.g. somebody like Hidenoumi would see himself sail past Tohakuryu even though it's 6-9 vs 3-7.
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    I see no reason to assume any kind of automatism that would extend to every possible candidate. In the previous case, it was clearly Asanoyama who was lucky to tag along with Hokutofuji, not the other way around. Edit: If we had a basho with all-KK sanyaku, M1e 8-7, M1w 10-5, and M2e 9-6, would you seriously expect three extra komusubi to be more likely than two + the M2e getting shuffled to M1e?
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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    I don't really see how that follows, considering they're regularly going against the by-the-numbers rank/record suggested promotions when a M1e kachikoshi is involved (most recently after Haru).
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    That sounds more like Kitanofuji babble, not a YDC comment.
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    You're talking about something completely different now, qualitative comments about ozeki performance that already happened. I was responding specifically to this part: That implied that it's somehow for the YDC to determine what Mitakeumi's fate ought to be going forward. If you've got any prior examples of them attempting to interfere with the banzuke-making like that, I'm all ears.
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    YDC convenes after Nagoya 2022?

    What exactly do you expect them to discuss about it? "Member 1: The Kyokai will have Mitakeumi stay kadoban now, is that how it works? --- Member 2: Ayup, I guess so..." As an internal rules question for the Kyokai it's absolutely not the YDC's remit, so there's nothing meaningful that they could contribute to the topic even in a theoretical manner.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Nagoya 2022

    Astonishingly, LKS managed to escape the Covid carnage completely unscathed, at least for this basho. We did have five rikishi from stables that were unable to get through the entire tournament, but Nakaishi (Hanaregoma) and Kototaiga (Sadogatake) were absent from the start, while Nishikigi (Isenoumi, KK), Daishoki (Oitekaze, MK) and Kototakuya (Sadogatake, MK) all reached a gameplay-relevant outcome before their respective exits. Nakaishi's full kyujo was particularly fortunate for the game as his stable was among the first to withdraw and short of a 4-0 or 0-4 start he wouldn't have made it as an active competitor. Full results shortly. I do dread having to figure out who qualifies as a rikishi on a KK streak for the next few tournaments, however...