Asashosakari

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    Banzuke for November 2020

    http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/ Makuuchi Hakuho Y Kakuryu Takakeisho O Asanoyama Shodai O --- Mitakeumi S Takanosho Terunofuji K Takayasu Kiribayama M1 Wakatakakage Onosho M2 Daieisho Kagayaki M3 Okinoumi Hokutofuji M4 Tobizaru Myogiryu M5 Kotoshoho Takarafuji M6 Tamawashi Tochinoshin M7 Endo Aoiyama M8 Terutsuyoshi Tokushoryu M9 Kotoeko Ryuden M10 Meisei Sadanoumi M11 Enho Yutakayama M12 Kaisei Hoshoryu M13 Ichinojo Chiyonokuni M14 Kotonowaka Chiyotairyu M15 Kotoyuki Chiyoshoma M16 Akua Shimanoumi M17 ---
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    Trivia bits

    With Terunofuji and Takayasu as komusubi November 2020 is the 5th basho in modern history with two former ozeki ranked among the lower sanyaku, but it's the first time ever that neither is a freshly demoted ex-ozeki. (Previously: Nagoya 1976, Aki 2000, Hatsu 2005, Kyushu 2017)
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    Banzuke for November 2020

    The remainder: Makushita Sandanme Jonidan Jonokuchi (New shikona in red.)
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    Banzuke for November 2020

    Makushita-joi Daishoho Ms1 Naya Yago Ms2 Shiraishi Kitaharima Ms3 Kotodaigo Bushozan Ms4 Terasawa Chiyoarashi Ms5 Kotokuzan Takakento Ms6 Ichiki Kaisho Ms7 Sakigake Tochimaru Ms8 Ichiyamamoto Nakazono Ms9 Kitanowaka Tochiseiryu Ms10 Tamashoho Wakayama Ms11 Suzuki Murata Ms12 Roga Oki Ms13 Hiradoumi Shonannoumi Ms14 Tsukahara Hokutenkai Ms15 Ryuko
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    Banzuke for November 2020

    Juryo Akiseyama J1 Chiyonoo Midorifuji J2 Shohozan Ishiura J3 Kotoshogiku Chiyomaru J4 Nishikigi Daiamami J5 Hidenoumi Churanoumi J6 Wakamotoharu Chiyootori J7 Azumaryu Kyokutaisei J8 Ikioi Tsurugisho J9 Daishomaru Hakuyozan J10 Kyokushuho Mitoryu J11 Abi Takagenji J12 Jokoryu Ura J13 Nishikifuji Fujiazuma J14 Chiyonoumi
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    Not the Kyushu basho 2020 GTB invite - and Results!!

    My hopeless attempt: Hakuho (Ye 0-0-15) Y Kakuryu (Yw 0-0-15) Takakeisho (Ow 12-3) O1 Asanoyama (Oe 10-5) Shodai (S1e 13-2 Y) O2 --- Mitakeumi (S1w 8-7) S Takanosho (M1w 10-5) Terunofuji (M1e 8-5-2) K Takayasu (M6e 10-5) Kiribayama (M5e 9-4-2) M1 Wakatakakage (M8w 11-4) Daieisho (S2e 5-10) M2 Onosho (M9w 10-5) Kagayaki (M6w 8-7) M3 Hokutofuji (M2e 6-9) Okinoumi (Ke 4-11) M4 Myogiryu (M3e 6-9) Tobizaru (M14e 11-4) M5 Kotoshoho (M12e 10-5) Takarafuji (M5w 7-8) M6 Tamawashi (M2w 5-10) Endo (Kw 3-9-3) M7 Tochinoshin (M4w 6-9) Terutsuyoshi (M3w 5-10) M8 Aoiyama (M7w 7-8) Tokushoryu (M8e 7-8) M9 Kotoeko (M10w 8-7) Meisei (M13e 9-6) M10 Ryuden (M7e 6-9) Sadanoumi (M10e 7-8) M11 Enho (M9e 6-9) Yutakayama (M4e 2-6-7) M12 Kaisei (M12w 7-8) Hoshoryu (M16w 8-7) M13 Ichinojo (M17e 8-7) Chiyotairyu (M11e 5-8-2) M14 Kotonowaka (J2w 9-6) Chiyonokuni (J11w 14-1 Y) M15 Chiyoshoma (J4e 9-6) Kotoyuki (J2e 8-7) M16 Shimanoumi (M15e 6-9) Akua (J6w 10-5) M17 --- I'm feeling strangely confident on everything except M5e to M8e, but that whole section could well be zero points...my first draft still looked totally different (Tobizaru and Kotoshoho last instead of first) and was arguably equally justifiable.
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    Hakuho income after intai

    Those comparisons don't become less apples-to-oranges by switching from USA/NFL to Germany/Bundesliga.
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    Hakuho income after intai

    And compete for NFL spots with thousands of hopefuls who've been living and breathing football since childhood and usually gone through high-quality collegiate programs already? You can ask ex-Wakanoho how that worked out for him... Unless a rikishi is regularly winning the makuuchi yusho, the various opportunities to get non-salary money from the Kyokai really don't amount to all that much. Kensho are probably the biggest deal, but for those they're largely dependent on how they're regarded by third parties, so not much different from direct tanimachi support and the like. (Unless a rikishi has a knack for beating opponents who are themselves kensho magnets, of course.)
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    Sumo’s newest Ozeki — Shodai Naoya

    I'll say one thing, if you transplant Tosanoumi's 1995-1999 results into 2016-2020, I could just barely see ozeki talk as justified, because the current era is in such chaos. Tamawashi comes to mind as a similar case from the actual current period, albeit at an even old age, and of course Shodai himself was even less accomplished just a year ago. But in 1999, with 6 mostly well-performing Y/O already on the banzuke, the vastly superior Kaio and Musoyama having not (yet) managed to become ozeki, and two years younger Dejima in the process of putting up more consistent joi results than Tosanoumi ever did (and in fact becoming ozeki two months after the quoted column)... I'll freely admit that I was still only a casual fan at the time and not in tune with what was being discussed by fans back then, but I'd find it very hard to believe that the not especially young, defensively challenged, and at best 10th-best rikishi (maybe as low as 12th, depending on how one might have felt about aging Akinoshima and yet to be tested Miyabiyama) generated significant ozeki talk among informed fans. Maybe much earlier than 1999, after Tosanoumi had only just shown up in makuuchi, but that's even less worthwhile because even guys like the aforementioned Chiyotenzan would get that kind of talk, basically anyone who goes to the top division and holds his own there immediately (the aforementioned "ozeki prospect until proven otherwise" approach).
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    Sumo’s newest Ozeki — Shodai Naoya

    I mean, the very fact that a 27-year-old Tosanoumi's wins over big names were still described as "posting upsets" (and a win over Chiyotenzan being singled out as noteworthy!)...that reads more like the opinion of somebody with an "everyone's an ozeki prospect until proven otherwise" mindset. So granted, somebody was talking about Tosanoumi as a potential ozeki, but...
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    Sumo’s newest Ozeki — Shodai Naoya

    Akinoshima definitely, Tochinonada maybe, but I don't believe Tosanoumi was ever talked about as a "destined for higher things" rikishi. Just a tenacious but technically too limited guy that went about as high as his tools allowed him to - the niche that I suspect Yutakayama is also in (or would be, if he could stay healthy).
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    Hakuho income after intai

    As Akinomaki already said, "endorse" might not quite cover it, but there was this:
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    Sumo’s newest Ozeki — Shodai Naoya

    I don't think that's all that unusual historically, anyway. If you leave out the megastars who come on the scene and just never stop moving up until they're yokozuna, a lot of rikishi at all levels (even down below juryo) show those start-stop patterns where a series of plateaued performances gets interrupted by relatively short bursts of improvement that take them from one plateau to the next higher one. Though admittedly, it may have become less pronounced in recent times because so many careers get interrupted by major injuries nowadays. Sometimes it's due to the rikishi figuring out some technical quirk that previously held them back (Shodai's tachiai issues may fall into that category), but in a lot of cases it just seems like such a step up requires attaining a certain level of overall physical and mental readiness, and that's something the non-Hakuhos of the sumo world simply need a few years to work on every time. Anyway, it's the Wakanosatos and (hopefully not) Mitakeumis who are the historical outliers, guys who show a lot of promise at a young enough age that everyone expects them to have enough time left to take more steps up in their career, but they just don't end up taking them.
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    Sumo’s newest Ozeki — Shodai Naoya

    It's interesting how, going back to their amateur days, his career has gone almost exactly the opposite direction of Mitakeumi's. Shodai was the big-shot high school star who did the rare thing and immediately competed for (and won) tournament championships on the collegiate circuit in his first two years there as well, before fading away from the title scene for years three and four, and his professional career also quickly looked like he wasn't going to recapture his teenage magic and would just become a talented but generic rank and file maegashira veteran (Kintamayama's prediction notwithstanding). Mitakeumi, conversely, while he was also decently accomplished in middle and high school, was far from "future star" territory in those days, and took a while to get going at the collegiate level. He really only came to the forefront in his last two years there, but then proceeded to take the professional ranks by storm, too, becoming a sanyaku mainstay in barely two years, and looking like a definite future ozeki (certainly once he'd won his first yusho). And now it's suddenly Shodai on top again with them both at "prime" rikishi age in their late 20s, and Mitakeumi continues to seek his groove.
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    Not the Kyushu basho 2020 GTB invite - and Results!!

    As somebody who's been following him since back when he was still Toyononami, I wholeheartedly disagree. But I'm all in favour of guys overachieving with a cup of coffee appearance anyway, whether it's makuuchi or juryo.
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    Promotion/Demotion/Yusho Discussion Aki 2020

    If I'm not mistaken the second messenger is always one of the ichimon's members of the judging department. The riji doesn't always appear to be an ichimon representative, from what I can tell, e.g. it was Dewanoumi for both Takakeisho and Asanoyama. I suppose it couldn't have been rijicho Hakkaku for Asanoyama anyway, but Nishonoseki-ichimon surely would have had options available among their directors.
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    Promotion/Demotion/Yusho Discussion Aki 2020

    13-2 + yusho ought to do it as well, I reckon, which would leave him with the same as Shodai's record, just with the first two results inverted. Mitakeumi's longer track record would probably make up for Shodai's superior recent history beyond the three-basho run.
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    Trivia bits

    Well, I would prefer both to be available; I've done quite a few queries that utilized the current version. This effort required locating former sekitori in the lower ranks; that's just impossible to do with the career highs. And at least those can also be extracted relatively easily from the DB in other ways, which is not the case for highest rank to date. Speaking of lower ranks, Chiyonokuni is now the sole all-time leader with 7 yusho won in juryo and below: Link
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    "React"--and lack thereof

    I think it's a rolling window, i.e. X reactions within the last 24 hours at any point in time.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2020

    Scores for banzuke purposes: Jejima 11 (10+top) Profomisakari 11 (10+top) Achiyama 9 Asashosakari 9 Tsuchinoninjin 9 Mmikasazuma 8 Ryoshishokunin 8 Athenayama 7 chishafuwaku 7 Holleshoryu 7 Sakura 7 WAKATAKE 7 Hakuryuho 6 Total: 106 / 13 = 8.15 ---> no adjustment Minus 1 win was narrowly indicated by the average score, but as usual when it's close I also looked at the potential KK/MK splits, and the non-adjustment led to a better split of 7/6 than the reduced score would have with 5/8. The new banzuke for Kyushu 2020: Asashosakari (Ye 9-6) Y --- Mmikasazuma (O2w 8-7) O1 chishafuwaku (O1e 7-8) --- O2 Athenayama (O1w 7-8) Jejima (M3e 11-4 Y) S Tsuchinoninjin (M1e 9-6) Profomisakari (M6e 11-4 D) K Achiyama (M4e 9-6) Holleshoryu (Se 7-8) M1 Pandaazuma (Kw kosho) wolfgangho (M2e kosho) M2 WAKATAKE (M1w 7-8) Ryoshishokunin (M6w 8-7) M3 Sakura (M3w 7-8) Hakuryuho (M5w 6-9) M4 Tenshinhan (Sw 0-0-15) Rocks (Ke 0-0-15) M5 ryafuji (M2w 0-0-15) Katsunorifuji (M4w 0-0-15) M6 Pitinosato (M5e 0-0-15) Mmikasazuma narrowly escaped from kadoban status, while chishafuwaku (ending his tsunatori) and Athenayama find themselves in that predicament for Kyushu.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2020

    A more normal starting time again, with proper service hopefully to be restored for the coming two weeks as well. The ballot for Aki: 1. Kotoshoho 10 2. Terunofuji 8 3. Suzuki 8* 4. Amakaze 8 5. Tokisakae 7* 6. Kitanowaka 7* 7. Yoshii 7* 8. Asanoyama 5 [score?] 9. Murata 5 10. Kaishin 5 11. Shodai 4 [score?] 12. Terutsuyoshi 4 13. Tobizaru 4 TB: [pick?] (* marks rikishi with no makekoshi since debut) The scoring and thus your game assignment: For sanyaku: Please predict an exact record for each rikishi. The target record will be calculated after the deadline and will be chosen so that it bisects the predictions as evenly as possible. The predictions will then be converted into + and - votes as usual; one point for each correct prediction. For lower-ranked rikishi: Please predict for each rikishi if he will finish KK or MK; one point for each correct prediction. (For clarification: If you're expecting an outright makekoshi for one of the sanyaku high-rankers, just predict MK, exact records are only needed on the kachikoshi side of things.) First tie-breaker: From among those 13 guys up there and the further 9 rikishi who are currently just shy of a 5-KK streak, please guess how many KK you expect in total. Your tie-breaker guess may be anything from 0 to 22. Only exactly correct guesses qualify at this tie-breaker stage. Note: Sanyaku count as correct for the tie-breaker if they achieve KK, they do not need to meet their target records. Next 12 tie-breakers if needed: Correctly predicted rikishi, one-by-one in ballot order, i.e. starting at Kotoshoho. Extra tie-breakers, should two or more players have entered identical ballots: Proximity of their tie-breaker guesses to the correct number, followed by proximity of their sanyaku rikishi guesses to the correct records (one-by-one in ballot order). Final tie-breaker: earliest entry. Note: Rikishi who show up on the before-shonichi kyujo list will be excluded from scoring (even if they end up joining the basho later), so it is not necessary to re-submit your entry if you picked such a rikishi as a KK; he will not count for points anyhow. You may, however, notify me if you'd like to reduce your tie-breaker guess by one point to compensate for the "missing" rikishi. Your position on the entry list (for final tie-breaker purposes) will be deemed unchanged in this special situation. Any other changes to a ballot will be considered a new entry, with correspondingly lower priority for the final tie-breaker. Deadline: Shonichi noon JST. ----- Simplified entry template: 1. Kotoshoho KKMK 2. Terunofuji KKMK 3. Suzuki KKMK 4. Amakaze KKMK 5. Tokisakae KKMK 6. Kitanowaka KKMK 7. Yoshii KKMK 8. Asanoyama W-L 9. Murata KKMK 10. Kaishin KKMK 11. Shodai W-L 12. Terutsuyoshi KKMK 13. Tobizaru KKMK TB xx Good luck!
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2020

    Sorry about the delay! Day 14 Kachikoshi at the finish line for youngster Yoshii, and therefore the LKS yusho goes to Jejima! It's his 9th career yusho, but the others were all quite a way back, most recently in Natsu 2014. Profomisakari takes the yusho-doten with the same points score, unfortunately losing a bracket playoff for the fourth time in four attempts. Day 13 co-contender Asashosakari has had to settle for a share of third place. The final standings: Day 15: 13/13 Decisions, TB 17 Pos Player Pts TB 1 Jejima 10 16 2 Profomisakari 10 12 3 Achiyama 9 16 3 Asashosakari 9 11 3 Tsuchinoninjin 9 12 6 Mmikasazuma 8 13 6 Ryoshishokunin 8 13 8 Athenayama 7 12 8 chishafuwaku 7 12 8 Holleshoryu 7 12 8 Sakura 7 12 8 WAKATAKE 7 13 13 Hakuryuho 6 12 No hits on the extremely high tie-breaker result of 17 KK from 22 participating rikishi. The new ballot for Kyushu 2020: 1. Kotoshoho 11 2. Terunofuji 9 3. Suzuki 9* 4. Amakaze 9 Tokisakae 7* 5. Kitanowaka 8* 6. Yoshii 8* 7. Asanoyama 6 8. Murata 6 9. Kaishin 6 10. Shodai 5 Terutsuyoshi 4 11. Tobizaru 5 12. Jokoryu 5 13. Ura 5 14. Dewataikai 5 15. Sadanoryu 5 16. Otsuji 5 17. Tosamidori 5 --- 18. Wakatakakage 4 19. Hoshoryu 4 20. Chiyonoo 4 Lots of predicting work for us next time around.
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    Former Takanofuji activities

    Can you believe he used to play basketball? I wonder how that worked for somebody with too much of a mean streak for sumo.
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    Long Kachikoshi Streaks - Aki 2020

    Day 13 Victory for Amakaze to complete a nuke-nuke kachikoshi with the 5th straight 4-3 record in his now 9-KK streak, so our yusho race has come down to Jejima and Asashosakari. Day 13: 12/13 Decisions, TB 16-17 Pos Player Pts TB 1 Jejima 9 16 2 Asashosakari 9 11 2 Profomisakari 9 12 4 Achiyama 8 16 5 Mmikasazuma 8 13 5 Ryoshishokunin 8 13 5 Tsuchinoninjin 8 12 8 Athenayama 7 12 8 chishafuwaku 7 12 8 Holleshoryu 7 12 8 Sakura 7 12 8 WAKATAKE 7 13 13 Hakuryuho 5 12 Achiyama and Jejima can still hit the tie-breaker with their (what I thought to be absurdly high...) guesses of 16 if Yoshii loses tomorrow. I have a feeling Jejima would still prefer him to win, though.
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    How many have relatives in sumo?

    A long, long time ago I started up this thread (which I never added anything to later, unlike originally planned): Includes various unheralded sumo relatives of actually well-known rikishi, among other categories.