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    The numbers in that table are really revealing. Interesting that you took the last four years, but if we take the last three calendar years (in this case, 17 basho) Hakuho and Kakuryu are practically even -- 106 wins v 105 wins over 17 basho. To compare with the most recent yokuzana in their final 17 basho to give a measure of how they compare: 133 2Y 4J Akebono 84 2Y 3J Takanohana 118 4Y 3J Musashimaru 154 5Y 3J Asashoryu 149 3Y 2J Harumafuji 97 2Y 3J Kisenosato 106 4Y 1J Hakuho 105 3Y 2J Kakuryu Given that both Asashoryu and Harumafuji's careers were cut off early for non-performance-related reasons, the average for the other four retired yokuzuna is 108. That would suggest to me that if either Kakuryu or Hakuho miss the next tournament completely they will be in the range where retirement is practically certain. That's true for both of them, not just Kakuryu, the difference over these last three years is not numerically significant.
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    Uminishiki evidently wanted to retire under his shikona, having switched back to it for this very basho. He will be returning to his hometown in Fukuoka and begin studying/training for a career in childcare. After/Before danpatsu-shiki: Kotoseigo after his danpatsu-shiki: Injuries kept Taiga largely absent for the last couple of years of his career, with only one complete basho since 2018 Aki. With his retirement, Mimurodake stands alone as the last active rikishi from the old Asahiyama-beya. Kihonoumi was the longest-serving rikishi in Dewanoumi-beya, retiring at 36 after just over two decades on the dohyo. He made his debut in 2000 Haru alongside fellow retiree Hitenryu who is only 12 days younger. Wakaryusei was ex-Wakanosato's second uchideshi (following the already-retired Wakasatake) before he branched out to found Nishiiwa-beya.
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    Sorry if this has been covered; I can't find it. A discussion on longevity in Makuuchi led me to suggest that an 8-7 for every basho would get you to eternal Sekiwake: never lower, nerver higher. How long would it take for a newbie to make Sekiwake by making the minimum KK each tournament? Now we know! I started at Jk25 and assumed a 4-3 every basho until Juryo, then 8-7 every basho. To predict the landing rank, I averaged the last six results chronologically in the sumodb. This fellow makes Jonidan 89 in one basho; in his sixth basho he's at Sd89. He breaks into Makushita in his 12th basho; it's painfully slow as he reaches the Ms joi, but he reaches Juryo in his 23rd basho. After 30 total basho he's broken into Makuuchi at M15; 39 basho to reach K1w, and S1e at last in his 42nd basho. That's seven straight years of minimal KK, with a record of 248-206. I'll bet it wouldn't take that long to fall back to Jk25 with all MK's.
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    Isegahama is again home in Aomori on a scouting tour, helped by ex-Asofuji, the older brother of Aminishiki (a relative) and head of the heya's scouting department (and Aomori branch manager of the Aomori based company Enride), and Tsuruta local ex-Isenohana (on his left), together at the town hall of Tsuruta on the 27th o Tasting the Fuji apples ex-Isenohana is cultivating o
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    One windmill said to the next windmill, "What kind of music do you like?" The other answered, "I'm a big metal fan."
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    Kekka and banzuke: 12 players competed in JWS November 2020 and their combined scores came out to 58. To determine the KK line for this basho, it is 58 divided by 12 which comes out to 4.83. This in turn is rounded up to 5 which is the KK line for the basho. The kekka scores are as below: 10 --> 13-2: Tameiki 9 --> 12-3: WAKATAKE 8 --> 11-4: Akogyokuseki 5 --> 8-7: Achiyama 4 --> 7-8: chishafuwaku, Fujisan, Athenayama, wolfgangho 3 --> 6-9: Tenshinhan, ScreechingOwl 2 --> 5-10: Benihana, Flohru Kekka as shown on the November 2020 banzuke November 2020 East Rank West chishafuwaku (7-8) O Achiyama (8-7) S Tameiki (13-2, Y) Benihana (5-10) K Gaijingai (kosho) K Fujisan (7-8) Athenayama (7-8) M1 Flohru (5-10) Kyoju (0-0-15) M2 wolfgangho (7-8) Akogyokuseki (11-4) M3 WAKATAKE (12-3, J) Tenshinhan (6-9) M4 Gansekiiwa (0-0-15) ScreechingOwl (6-9) M5 Houmanumi (0-0-15) The banzuke for JWS Hatsu 2021 is as follows Hatsu 2021 East Rank West chishafuwaku (7-8) O Tameiki (13-2, Y, S1W) S Achiyama (8-7, S1E) WAKATAKE (12-3, J, M3W) K Akogyokuseki (11-4, M3E) K Gaijingai (kosho, K1W) Fujisan (7-8, K2W) M1 Athenayama (7-8, K1E) wolfgangho (7-8, M2E) M2 Benihana (5-10, K1E) Flohru (5-10, M1W) M3 Tenshinhan (6-9, M4E) ScreechingOwl (6-9, M5E) M4 Kyoju (0-0-15, M2E) Gansekiiwa (0-0-15, M4W) M5 Houmanumi (0-0-15, M5W) Yusho winner @Tameiki has finished jun-yusho in Aki 2020 and won the yusho in November 2020, meaning he is officially on an ozeki run for Hatsu 2021. A 10-5 kekka score or jun-yusho equivalent will earn him promotion to the rank. Ozeki @chishafuwaku could not put together a KK for his second basho at the rank and finds himself kadoban. Hopefully he can gambarize in Hatsu 2021 to maintain his rank. @Gaijingai had declared kosho for this basho and hopefully we will see him back for Hatsu 2021. Welcome back to @Tenshinhan after his hiatus, I know that with everybody these are unsure times, but great to see you playing once again. Kyoju, @Rocks/Gansekiiwa and @Houmanumi are encouraged to play next basho as they were MIA for this basho. As always thank you to all for playing the game, and I encourage anybody who is interested in playing to let me know or drop me any questions that you have. The game is rather simple and fun to try and predict! Happy Thanksgiving, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you all!
  7. 1 point
    Honma, one of the two deshi Kotooshu brought over from Sadogatake, had a gruesome foot injury in September 2019 and has been off the dohyo for 6 basho, though exercising more and more with his heya mates at Narutobeya. His pulling out isn't good news -- he may join fellow banzuke-gai Oju into retirement. I believe the sister of Atamifuji also competes in Sumo.
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    I could only find handheld screen-recorded videos with rather dodgy audio for this basho's maezumo, but I think I've got everyone in the right place for the results. Joining the six newcomers were two banzuke-gai rikishi, Honma (Naruto-beya, 5 basho out of action) and Fujinonami (Fujishima, 3 basho out after getting injured during Hatsu). Honma fought only one bout in the first session and was absent after that. Edit: I've now seen the Abema footage and confirm the results as follows: Day 3 X Honma Fujinonami O O Arauma Minorufuji X O Kyoda Onofuji X X Harada Atamifuji O Day 4 O Harada Minorufuji X O Arauma Fujinonami X X Kyoda Atamifuji O X Harada Onofuji O Day 5 X Kyoda Fujinonami O X Harada Onofuji O X Arauma Atamifuji O O Kyoda Minorufuji X Day 6 O Arauma Fujinonami X O Kyoda Onofuji X O Harada Minorufuji X X Fujinonami Onofuji O And I make the final standings as: Atamifuji Isegahama 3-0 Arauma Isenoumi 3-1 Kyoda Futagoyama 3-2 Onofuji Isegahama 3-2 > Fujinonami Fujishima 2-3 Harada Otake 2-3 Minorufuji Isegahama 0-4 > Honma Naruto 0-1-3 Shikona confirmations: Turtogtokh > Arauma (荒馬, あらうま) Morita > Minorufuji (実富士, みのるふじ) Takase > Onofuji (大ノ富士, おおのふじ) Takei > Atamifuji (熱海富士, あたみふじ) Onofuji has high school wrestling experience and hair like an ungreased Elvis, while his winless stablemate Minorufuji has judo experience. Harada has some soft tennis experience from junior high.
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    The papers note that ex-Asasekiryu as Takasago is the first time a foreign-born oyakata is the shisho of a the main heya of an ichimon. o
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    To be fair, Kaio and Wakanohana each won one yusho as komusubi as part of their ozeki runs, and 4 yusho as ozeki. And it took Kaio 25 basho as ozeki to get 4 yusho while Wakanohana took 29, so Kaio didn't actually need twice the number of tournaments to get to five yusho - it's just that their paths diverged at that point. Their careers could so easily have been reversed, and were ultimately decided by a couple of 12-3 results. If Wakanohana's 12-3 in Natsu 1998 had been good for the usual jun-yusho or third place, he might have spent 7 more years as ozeki going 8-7. And if Kaio hadn't tumbled to his third loss on day 12 in Kyushu 2004 against Miyabiyama, he might have been promoted at age 32 and would in all likelihood have been a short-lived yokozuna.
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    [Side note: that bell logo makes me think of Doraemon. We should know why]
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    Ex Asasekiryuu will inherit the Takasago name on the 27th,(tomorrow) and will become the oyakata without waiting for the current Takasago's official retirement. It is official.
  13. 1 point
    So to begin, totally with you on the 'fun to debate thing', as much as anything I like being a devil's advocate. And granted; it doesn't totally remove your point; but Hakuho being lumped in with Kakuryu is just fundamentally wrong: So okay, they're a lot closer than I thought before I started this exercise; Kakuryu SHOULD go, whereas Hakuho kinda has one last chance at redemption. Going back to my ozeki analogy, Kakuryu long ago got demoted from ozeki and is now tumbling down the ranks. Retire. Hakuho would still be an Ozeki; and if we were, we'd be saying we hope he gets the ten wins. Let's be real here, the only difference between an ozeki and a yokozuna is consistency over a longer period; ozeki-level sumo and yokozuna-level sumo are essentially the same. Hakuho is 'ozekiwake' in January. If he doesn't get at least the ten, than I'm with you; he should give it up. But if he gets 10+; let's all move on and give him a few more tournaments.
  14. 1 point
    Based on everything everybody told me when I first started following Sumo, if you're wondering whether now is a good time to go for Yokozuna, your never going to be a good Yokozuna if you make it.
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    The celebrations home in Ashiya are a bit frugal so far this time: A sign (not really banner) at the Ashiya shrine o And the obligatory banner at the city hall o
  16. 1 point
    That of course, and the immense support they got from the fans. Even deep into his decline, the loud chants for Kaio were mesmerizing, and Kotoshogiku's appearance was highly anticipated in Fukuoka.
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    The 169th Otoi-ozumo took place yesterday, reduced to 1 day, only 2 hours, with only local adults taking part. No rikishi from ozumo, thus no pro-ama bouts and no baby dohyo-iri. No spectators either. The severely flood-damaged Otoi hall had been repaired, but this year a different catastrophe endangered the traditional tournament. Nonetheless it was held, to continue the tradition. o o The local TV had again a 12h live stream - the video is 12 hours of just an announcement screen of when the stream should start. local TV news clips: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/matsuyama-news/20201123/8000008168.html http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20201123-00002417-itv-l38 -> youtube-dl -q https://gw-yvpub.yahoo.co.jp/v1/hls/8a1ac5278798f11d23e1e5d5dccd03bb/video.m3u8 http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20201123-00000005-ebc-l38 2018: -> youtube-dl -q https://gw-yvpub.yahoo.co.jp/v1/hls/051f3a77d8b3d2943580ce4b90fe24b0/video.m3u8 http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20201123-00000197-rnb-l38 -> youtube-dl -q https://gw-yvpub.yahoo.co.jp/v1/hls/798dc54aa1b4e6aeca085641f4f07bf3/video.m3u8
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    Mods, I would like to respectfully request that we try to get this thread back onto the right track, because I feel it is getting derailed into an unfortunate direction away from what it was intended for
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    Nah. Not even close. Kakuryu’s promotion was a tiny bit softer than some but still came off the back of two 14-1 basho in which the only obstacle to his winning a playoff in the first was Hakuho in his prime. It was as good a ‘yusho equivalent’ as you’ll ever see. Kisenosato meanwhile had a history of 12 jun-yusho (11 as Ozeki) and a 31-basho streak at Ozeki which included only one makekoshi (a mere 7-8) and 23 double-digit kachikoshi. Takakeisho is off to a solid start but hasn’t yet equalled Kakuryu and Kisenosato’s achievements.
  20. 1 point
    You and Seiyashi have done very little but harass me in this thread, with the latter taking it over to another thread now. If you don't agree with my take, that's fine. Make your point, argue your side and if all else fails, you can just stop replying. But don't you dare harass me, call me names, accuse me of things or try to bully me into changing my opinion. I am picking my next words very carefully, and mean all of them without them detracting from each other. This is both an apology and an apologia, in the interests of maintaining good and civil discussion. Regardless of the condition of another thread, I recognise I am out of order for extrapolating conclusions formed about one user from one thread to another, and unreservedly apologise for that. I will either take down the post in the other thread or leave it for posterity at your choice, depending on whether you wish that accusation removed or left up as evidence of my mistake. My apology notwithstanding, choosing a tribute thread to contend that Kotoshogiku wasn't a great ozeki is like showing up at a funeral and saying meh, the deceased wasn't outstanding in any way and it was high time he moved on to avoid taking up a hospital bed. There is a time and place for discussions about the standard to which ozeki should perform; a tribute thread is not that time or place. While Gagamaru didn't reach ozeki, the same arguments apply to the comments on his fighting style and mass in his tribute thread. By extension to 2, I take offence with being accused of harassment, name calling, accusing or bullying. On the available evidence i.e. the posts you made at the time I made my reply, I consider myself justified in concurring with WAKATAKE that your attempt to introduce arguments about the assessment of the quality of an ozeki amounted to trolling in the circumstances of paying tribute to Kotoshogiku on his retirement. Hence the comment on no feeding in the other thread on a discussion that was pointless under the circumstances. But see point 1 on the disposal of that particular comment. Despite no evidence of your stance having shifted in the discussion on the YDC's statement re Hakuho and Kakuryu, that post is wholly appropriate in the circumstances; it should even be further commended for clarity in stating what is fact and what is opinion.
  21. 1 point
    I think Hakuhou is in great shape. He just sat out because he can. He'll probably come back and zensho. Kakuryuu is done. Not because of anything physical. The day his shisho died and he moved to Kirishima, signaled the end. Kakuryuu, unlike most Yokozuna who had little or no regard for their oyakata after attaining the rank, was very close to his oyakata and his death was a devastating blow. Sure, he has injuries, but he always had them and managed to soldier on. He did get that 12-3 JY in March, but other than that, missed 94 days and was 1-7 when active after Sakahoko's death. He just seemed like he doesn't want to soldier on anymore. I don't either.. He wants to be forced to retire. I doubt we'll see him doing well ever again. The YDC serves a purpose and should not be taken literally. They are just there to light a fire under the butts needing it. And when xenophobia is implied in any way related to sumo is when the discussion, any discussion, at least for me, is over.
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    Source: https://www.nikkansports.com/battle/sumo/news/202011230000592.html and https://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/158971/ Not sure if this belongs on this thread, or a new thread discussing the Y/O Preparations for Hatsu 2021. I think it's still a little early, but do let me know. Woosh. The YDC are coming in hot, emboldened by the opportunity of a new Japanese Yokozuna. Here is what Chairman Yano has to say about the "warning" they have issued to the two troubled Mongolian Yokozuna: [About the "warning"]: "Apart from the results, the two Yokozunas have been going kyujo too often. I want you to take deeper and stronger responsibility for your actions in the future." [About issuing a warning more severe than Kisenosato's]: "We have calculated and discussed the number of kyujos the two Yokozunas have had over the past 12 places. I cannot say that they are fulfilling Yokozuna responsibilities. The both of them are resting together. Everyone should have better awareness and deeper analysis of their performances."
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    It's not the first time either; rzombie's arguments essentially amount to "I don't like how sumo scores work out in practice because rikishi aren't superhuman enough, records be damned", which is all the more jarring considering his alleged concern for rikishi injuries. May I suggest the rule against feeding kick in until evidence shows otherwise.
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    The results for the ichimon were: Day 15: ICHIMON RIKISHI SCORE PERCENT KK KKPERCENT Takasago 84 344-304 53 45 54 Nishonoseki 195 690-674 51 94 48 Tokitsukaze 78 293-288 50 37 47 Dewanoumi 259 882-933 49 113 44 Isegahama 69 250-260 49 31 45
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    Nikkan-gendai quotes an oyakata who confirms that it is certainly Wakamatsu. The decisive reason: to keep the Kindai lineage and connection. The shisho and Asanoyama are from that university, and also ex-Asanowaka. http://www.nikkan-gendai.com/articles/view/sports/280884 Sponichi says: Nishikijima (ex-Asasekiryu) will take over, his personality and career achievements appear to have overturned the collegiate connection of Wakamatsu. Not final yet, but expected to be confirmed after the basho.