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    Sorry if this has been covered; I can't find it. A discussion on longevity in Makuuchi led me to suggest that an 8-7 for every basho would get you to eternal Sekiwake: never lower, nerver higher. How long would it take for a newbie to make Sekiwake by making the minimum KK each tournament? Now we know! I started at Jk25 and assumed a 4-3 every basho until Juryo, then 8-7 every basho. To predict the landing rank, I averaged the last six results chronologically in the sumodb. This fellow makes Jonidan 89 in one basho; in his sixth basho he's at Sd89. He breaks into Makushita in his 12th basho; it's painfully slow as he reaches the Ms joi, but he reaches Juryo in his 23rd basho. After 30 total basho he's broken into Makuuchi at M15; 39 basho to reach K1w, and S1e at last in his 42nd basho. That's seven straight years of minimal KK, with a record of 248-206. I'll bet it wouldn't take that long to fall back to Jk25 with all MK's.
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    That's not apples and oranges but pumpkins and peas.
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    Uminishiki evidently wanted to retire under his shikona, having switched back to it for this very basho. He will be returning to his hometown in Fukuoka and begin studying/training for a career in childcare. After/Before danpatsu-shiki: Kotoseigo after his danpatsu-shiki: Injuries kept Taiga largely absent for the last couple of years of his career, with only one complete basho since 2018 Aki. With his retirement, Mimurodake stands alone as the last active rikishi from the old Asahiyama-beya. Kihonoumi was the longest-serving rikishi in Dewanoumi-beya, retiring at 36 after just over two decades on the dohyo. He made his debut in 2000 Haru alongside fellow retiree Hitenryu who is only 12 days younger. Wakaryusei was ex-Wakanosato's second uchideshi (following the already-retired Wakasatake) before he branched out to found Nishiiwa-beya.
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    The five most recent triple 7-0s from jonokuchi placed the rikishi between Ms13 and Ms15. One more 7-0 would be shin-juryo at the bottom of the division. From the bottom of juryo a zensho would be bottom of makuuchi (although this apparently never happened yet). One more would be high-maegashira/sanyaku, then Ozeki in 2 bashos, and Yokozuna in 2 more zenshos. In total that would be 11 bashos from jonokuchi to yokozuna. The biggest problem here is of course that there are far less zensho rikishi than there are barely-kachikoshi. The lack of samples leads to uncertainties, mainly whether three 15-0s in a row from the bottom of makuuchi would earn an ozeki promotion (they probably should) and whether one more zensho from there would earn a yokozuna promotion. If the answer is yes to both then the total would only be 9 bashos. Basho Slow estimate Fast Estimate 1 Jk 2 Jn 3 Sd 4 Ms15 5 J14 6 M16 7 M1 M1 8 S S 9 S O 10 O Y 11 O 12 Y
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    Ist es schon wieder soweit? Hello world. The updated Graph awaits your embrace and praise. New features: Asanoyama's promotion made it necessary to introduce a new color to indicate Sandanme tsukedashi hatsu-dohyo. The onslaught of improbable Maegashira yusho gave me the idea of indicating the exact rank in the vicinity of the respective champion's name. Comments (oh so many comments...) more or less derived from the visuals: The Graph's top is punctured! With the Kyushu banzuke, the active champions' cumulated yusho reached 61, which is a new all-time record and one more than my vertical grid tolerates. In fact, the previous record of XI/19 was improved four times throughout the year. What we need is for Hakuho to retire... Anyway, we have the yusho experiencest group since ever. With the Kyushu banzuke we also saw 11 active champions, which ties the record of VII/2000, right after Kaio's debut yusho. Back then, the crowd was reduced to 9 after only two basho, when former champions Kotonishiki and Mitoizumi retired. It's nice to see the two lists of 11 champions next to each other. Then: Takanohana (20 yusho at the time), Akebono (9), Musashimaaru (7), Takanonami (2), Kotonishiki (2), Mitoizumi (1), Chiyotaikai (1), Dejima (1), Musoyama (1), Takatoriki (1), Kaio (1). Now: Hakuho (44), Kakuryu (6), Mitakeumi (2), Terunofuji (2), Kotoshogiku (1), Tochinoshin (1), Takakeisho (1), Tamawashi (1), Asanoyama (1), Tokushoryu (1), Shodai (1). The number of foreigners on the banzuke decreased again. In September and November the overall figure was 28, which is the lowest number since XI/2000. In January, March, July and September there were only two sanyaku foreigners (the Yokozuna) on the banzuke. The last time this happened before was in IX/2005 with Yokozuna Asashoryu and Sekiwake Kotooshu, who ended up deciding the yusho in a play-off. Guess who won this contest of mental fortitude...ahem... Talking of play-offs while they are fresh: the November basho gave birth to the first Ozeki-Komusubi play-off. Komusubi are widely underrepresented in play-offs throughout recorded history. Terunofuji was only the fourth Komusubi participant. Previously Yokozuna Chiyonofuji beat Komusubi Asashio in V/1982. The same pair (with same ranks) also fought it out in XI/1981. With the same result. The only time ever a Komusubi won a play-off was in XI/1974, when Kaiketsu beat Yokozuna Kitanoumi, none less! As for play-off participants' ranks since 1958: Y (74), O (42), S (20), K (4), M (10). In Is-That-All-? news, Hakuho managed at least one yusho win for the 15th consecutive year. Nevertheless, 2020 was the first year since 2006 (when he won his first yusho) with him only getting one and not at least two. The next best are btw Taiho (12), Chiyonofuji (10), and Kitanoumi (9), which is the most unsurprising rank 2 to 4 list ever. It has been reported, though, that Asashoryu is still winning yusho from his home office. The Maegashira...Of course two yusho from the lowest nominal rank are exceptional, but since the Graph doesn't inform us about the division size and such, I will not go further into that. Combined with the win of Asanoyama in 2019, Tokushoryu and Terunofuji made it 3 out of 7. If you go back to Tochinoshin you have 4 out of 15. But this is only the second highest density of Maegashira yusho. In 1991 and 1992 we saw a spell of 3 out of 4, or 4 out of 7, respectively. Back then it happened around the intai of Yokozunae Chiyonofuji, Onokuni, Asahifuji and Hokutoumi, culminating in the Yokozuna-less time between VII/1992 and I/1993. Maegashira II: Oh, btw the rank has won the year. Even better, the rank of M17 has won the year: 2x M17, 1xY, 1xO, 1xS. Unprecedented, of course. This is only the 9th time that the rank of Yokozuna didn't win the most yusho in a celendar year or was at least tied for the lead. Previously: 2012 (3xO, 2xY ,1xM), 2003 (4xO, 2xY), 1998 (3xO, 2xY, 1xM), 1995 (5xO, 1xY), 1992 (2xO, 2xM, 1xS, 1xK), 1972 (2xS, 2xM, 1xY, 1xO), 1969 (4xO, 2xY), 1961 (3xO, 2xY, 1xM). Finally, the Ozeki yusho drought has ended. Officially at 21. This is the second longest drought after VII/1977-V/1981 (24). Personally, I think that we have a new record at 38, since...never mind...figure it out yourselves... The link is fresh for two months. If you need the file after that, give me a shout. See you around.
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    Mods, I would like to respectfully request that we try to get this thread back onto the right track, because I feel it is getting derailed into an unfortunate direction away from what it was intended for
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    Sporadic attempt to keep tabs on lower ranked rikishi of note: All videos courtesy of the sumo channel, that excellent channel run by one and only.. Nice guy Amakaze (one Makuuchi basho) back at Makushita 55 after dropping all the way to Jonidan 50 due to injury wins his first bout by tsukidashi . 1-0 Taihou's grandson Naya (Makushita 5E) who is taking a bit more time than expected to become a sekitori, wins his first match of the basho, beating veteran Chiyonokuni by tsukidashi. Another ex- Taihou grandson makes his debut this basho. Mudouhou, on the right facing Iwata in the very first sumo bout of this decade. Asashouryuu's nephew Houshouryuu (on the right) faces Mongolian Sakigake who is back in Juryo after 5 years: Joukouryuu at Makushita 32E, ex-Makuuchi and at one point thought to become a huge star, wins by sotogake. Rouga, Russian/Mongolian- , on the right, a name to watch out for at Makushita 17E (career 35-8, never done worse than 5-2) faces Wakatakamoto . Hokahou (Makushita 16W), the guy that had a fistfight with Ishiura during training a few days ago, lost his first bout by uwatehineri. Kitanowaka (Makushita 57E, career 24-5, on the right), another great hope, ex-high school Yokozuna, 19, faces Narutaki:
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    The YDC (Yokozuna Deliberation Council, a group (usually aged) of sumo aficionados of high ranking in their respective fields, appointed by the Kyokai to oversee the Yokozunae and their actions on and off the dohyo) convened today and came up with a real stern warning to the Yokozunae - "caution", which is worse than what Kisenosato got back then for missing eight bashos. The second harshest reprimand, only better than "Intai recommendation", and worse than "encouragement", which is what Kisenosato got. It's the first time this warning was issued. "They are kyujo a lot so a "caution" was needed to stir things up. We hope they will prepare themselves well for the next basho. Out of the last 12 bashos, there were only four where they both appeared. Two thirds of the time, they have been out." After last basho, the YDC deliberated if they should issue an "encouragement" but didn't in the end. "We expected both of them to enter, but both went kyujo. We can't say they fulfilled their duties as Yokozunae. We may have issued a sterner warning than usual, but we wish to urge the Yokozunae to be fully aware of their situation. Both of them going kyujo together seems to show that they don't understand the importance of their duties and the situation they have got themselves into. In the end, it's up to them. We cannot force them, but there are Yokozunae and their not appearing for the basho cannot go on for long.." As for a more serious warning, they will see what the results in January will be and decide then. Bottom line- they can't actually do anything about it, but they can buzz around the Kyokai's ears.
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    The keiko session will be held at the kkan training dohyo between December 18th and 23rd.
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    Today were the first hearings of the Yoshikaze case, all out confrontation so far, a settlement may take a long time. The Yoshikaze side: "The city staff and others had the duty to guarantee safety, but they neglected it." The city side: "The invitation to the training camp was for PR reasons, but going down the canyon was a private matter, we have no responsibility of compensation for the injuries." http://www.sanspo.com/sports/news/20201127/sum20112711370002-n1.html
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    The papers note that ex-Asasekiryu as Takasago is the first time a foreign-born oyakata is the shisho of a the main heya of an ichimon. o
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    The fact that there is no rule craved in stone makes everything possible, and considering that the lower maegashira zensho simply does not count, the two M1/S zenshos could be enough. But I am not sure they would be keen to promote to yokozuna after only 1 basho as ozeki... Also, for the comparison climbing vs falling down the ranks with 4-3 / 3-4, the fact is that, unless there is NO kyujo rikishi, the balance between banzuke-relevant wins and losses/absences favours the losses/absences. Also, absences, banzuke-wise, are worse than on-dohyo losses, which worsens a bit the phenomenon. So there is more good banzuke luck than bad banzuke luck "available". Also, rikishi going intai have to be considered, practically opening a void right in the middle of the banzuke, that is filled bottom-up, and that occurs every single basho.
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    "With the rikishi led by Asanoyama and the supporting Oyakatas, we are concentrating on not shaming the Takasago name," said the new Takasago Oyakata today.
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    Gave up limericks Too complicated for me How do I do now?
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    I just noticed that my manual Final Standings in Hoshitori Game were slightly off. There are no huge implications for any of the reported standings above, except for one thing: as Andoreasu had a better result in Hoshitori Game than I manually calculated, he overtook Jejima in the yearly standings, thus becoming Hoshitori Game World Champion of 2020. I hope to start with the dreaded Final Standings Web page this weeked...
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    Thank you for the response. I am also being very careful about my knees as that seems to be a big problem with most rikishi. Hopefully consistency won't be too much of a problem as this whole thread will be dedicated to making sure I stay dedicated. My weight is something I have put some thought into as I am obviously very light for a sumo wrestler. However, I thought it would be best to put on some muscle before putting on the pounds as I think that it would be smarter to do so first. I have gained ten pounds the past month just by eating my fill at each meal, so if I keep up that progress in part with the daily training then maybe I can get to at least 200 pounds. I am not too worried about the feasibility of my goal to be a sumo wrestler because I know it is very unlikely. I feel that if I put my all into it and try my hardest but still don't become a wrestler, well then I can't do much more than that. I plan on competing in the US sumo open eventually anyway so not all would go to waste.
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    Yeah, it's true that you could make a Tochinoshin/Terunofuji and plunge deep into the rankings before climbing back up to the top, but that's not so common, or the two aforementioned men's stories wouldn't have been such a bing things. Which means that an injured ozeki Takakeisho could maybe do that, but if he mismanages his recovery like Kise, he could just as well plunge and never climb back, we can't know for sure. I think I'd still see it as a good thing if he gets the rope. A comparison to the Giku road is a different thing. It doesn't seem very pertinent to me as the man never took an entire tournament off, nor did he ever went partial kyujo for two consecutive bashos until he retired, it just seems like age progressively grinded him down, which happens to everyone, yokozuna or not. But hey, let's say he won a few more yushos, got the rope and then retired when he lost ozeki in our timeline, maybe we could say that's when the YDC would have recommended he retires because he no longer delivered. That would mean we would have had a more glorious Kotoshogiku with a few great years at the cost of being deprived from his later less succesful years, which actually seems like a great deal to me (though yeah, you're right and it indeed shortens his career).
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    Oho ho ... Christmas has come early for Naya.
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    (Ex-)Kotoshogiku was allowed to travel home to Yanagawa to report his intai to the mayor today o o ooo with mayor and wife, parents on the left oo longer local news clip http://www.fbs.co.jp/news/news16265172.html
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    You will manage on your own, I have faith in you all.
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    The most important thing is that The Geek was totaly awesome.
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    Didn't we already have this discussion a few months back? Being able to sit out bashos is not an advantage, it's a hard-earned privilege granted only to those at the very top of the sport. Hakuho and Kakuryu are able to have this "advantage" because of their rank, but they had to get there first. They had to be in every basho, fight all 15 days, otherwise they wouldn't have fulfilled the requirement of 33 wins over 3 bashos to get promoted to Ozeki and the equivalent of two yusho in a row to get to Yokozuna. If a rikishi wants to take a few months off he can do so! He just has to go through all the stages required for becoming a Yokozuna, just like every other Yokozuna had to do so before him.
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    It takes a lot to impress you...
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    His yusho is one of my fondest sumo memories. It must be even more special to the Japanese public. Otsukaresama, Ozeki. I look forward to your OB sumo bout with Araiso. It appears he did.
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    Who's back in Juryo? It's Ura back in Juryo! Let's see how he does..