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#1 Kotoseiya Yuichi

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Posted 26 June 2002 - 23:41

I browsed through the kyokai's banzuke pages and noticed that some of the pictures were updated. Few guys seem to be wearing a new kesho-mawashi on their official kyokai portraits while others (those with few basho under their belts in juryo) are now seen wearing kesho for the first time.

Here they are in alphabetical order:

Juzan in a cartoonish one.

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Kasuganishiki's very tasteful heron kesho.

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Shimotori in a replica of his do-beya Tokitsuumi's kesho; apparently from the same college or university.

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Takamisakari in a new... how shall I put this... strange design.

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Takanotsuru wears bright yellow which seems to be in vogue.

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Tamarikido's simple and yellow one.

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Tochinonada's gone from blue to red. It suits him!

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Ushiomaru in excessively canary bird yellow! Uh... :-0

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Which one do you prefer? I think Kasuganishiki's kesho is very elegant. (Thumbs up...)
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Posted 26 June 2002 - 23:52

Regarding Takamisakari: What has gotten into someone? A slightly misaimed way of trying to get people focusing less on his Robocop anthics ;-)

Seriously, I don't care whether the Svastika is not originally a Nazi invention, or even if it's not in the same clock direction (which I don't know really). In my opinion, that is one strange choice of kesho-mawashi motive... I sure would have picked something else... (Hmmm...)

I like Shimotori's (and Tokitsuumi's) keshomawashi. The college ones are usually quite boring and full of ugly text (see Tamarikido...), but that one is plain, simple and elegant.

Takanotsuru's is nice too. :-)
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Posted 27 June 2002 - 06:40

Seriously, I don't care whether the Svastika is not originally a Nazi invention, or even if it's not in the same clock direction (which I don't know really). In my opinion, that is one strange choice of kesho-mawashi motive... I sure would have picked something else... (Hmmm...)

The gammadion in 'Sakari's kesho is a left-facing (destroverse) one unlike the hakaristi used by Finnish Defense Forces before 1944. The symbol was a lucky sign of Swedish count Eric von Rosen who donated the first plane of Finnish Air Forces in 1918. After the Second World War the symbol was rejected for obvious reasons. Some presidential decorations in Finland still use the gammadion motif but I couldn't find a picture of high enough quality to show this.

Since the gammadion (swastika, tetraskelion, fylfot, hakaristi or whatever it is called) is such a global symbol and originally for centuries has represented good and desirable concepts, I'd like to see it brought to its former glory even in the Western world but I believe some sixty years is not long enough time to get rid of the connotations of national socialism.

Some links:

Symbols.com's definition
Hakaristi
The Swastika And The Nazis
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Posted 28 October 2002 - 09:25

Digging up this old thread despite my own recommendations as I feel this didn't deserve a thread of its own.

There seems to be two new makuuchi portraits, viz. Hokutoriki & Iwakiyama who spent too long a time in his regular mawashi on kyokai's pages.

First Hokutoriki in his landscape themed kesho.

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Then Iwakiyama in his bride-like white kesho.

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Posted 05 November 2002 - 06:26

As for Takamisakari's kesho-mawashi, the swastika-like symbol is the same one used to indicate a temple (buddhist) on a Japanese map.

Takami-zeki is from Aomori-ken and probably the Hirosaki area (since the bottom of his kesho reads Hirosaki something or other) and Hirosaki has a large number of temples for such a small city. It is a castle town and was a bit of a refuge for many samurai families from Kyoto during one of the many battles that were fought centuries ago for control of the old capital.

Takamisakari's design seems to be very fitting for a rikishi from that area. The kanji imposed over top of the swastika are the Hiro from Hirosaki and it looks like ..mi for beautiful. I may not have all the details correct but that is the jist of it anyway. He's showing pride in his hometown.

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Posted 05 November 2002 - 18:11

My thumbs up to Hokutoriki for his classic beautiful design (very tasteful and great color palette) and Ushiomaru, definitely the life of the party in canary yellow :)

Tamarikido's I find awful - at least the Universities could sticj to using their traditional insignia rather than poorly placed romaji... :)

Iwakiyama in white really looks a bit bizarre!  Hey, they never wash mawashi... so just how long you think this one will stay white?? ;)

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Posted 06 November 2002 - 00:49

Hey, they never wash mawashi... so just how long you think this one will stay white?? ;)

They never wash shimekomi, the one used in bouts. I think they do wash kesho-mawashi if needed. How is silk washed anyway? I bet it's not just thrown into a washing machine! :-D
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Posted 04 March 2003 - 01:26

Once again digging up an old thread despite my own recommendations for not doing do. I found only three new official portraits this time.

First Takekaze with a kesho from a university (?). Does someone know which one?

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Then Asasekiryu. Very much like Asashoryu's old kesho! Just different colour, predictably red instead of blue.

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And finally Asashoryu's new portrait with the tsuna.

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 10:00

First Takekaze with a kesho from a university (?). Does someone know which one?

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The writing on the bottom of the kesho sayz it all :-) : chūō daigaku kōenkai. chūō literally means central by the way.

English homepage of chūō university

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 18:58

Juzan in a cartoonish one.


Once again I apologize for my rudimentary Japanese reading abilities -- can someone please translate what the letters on the bottom of his keshomawashi say?  TIA.

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 22:38

Why do you want to know this? The kanji are somewhat difficult to read for me. The first looks like •ู (as in •ูŒ์Žm - bengoshi - lawyer), the second looks like B (meaning state, as in ‹ใB - Kyushu or –{B - Honshu). There already is the problem that I have no word in my dictionary starting with these two kanji. The third kanji can really be a lot, for example Š๖ - I just can't read it as the right part is too tight. The next two are easier, ”๖์ - Ogawa, which is a normal name (place or surname). The last three of course are again Œใ‰‡‰๏ - koenkai, which means support group.

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Posted 04 March 2003 - 23:01

Because I have boundless curiosity  :-P

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 10:38

This time there seems to be only one new kesho shown on kyokai's pages, viz. that of Sumanofuji. I think I read somewhere a long time ago that his shikona consisting of five kanji (or is the middle one a katakana?) is the first so long after Chiyonofuji who also had a five-kanji shikona.

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 11:20

I appreciate you adding the new kesho-mawashi, and Sumanofuji's is quite nice, but it did actually get up on the NSK already before the Kyushu 2002 tournament...

PS. Thanks for the shikona added to my avatar! (Punk rocker...)

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 12:19

This time there seems to be only one new kesho shown on kyokai's pages, viz. that of Sumanofuji. I think I read somewhere a long time ago that his shikona consisting of five kanji (or is the middle one a katakana?) is the first so long after Chiyonofuji who also had a five-kanji shikona.

o‰H”T•xŽm (Dewanofuji) beat him to it already last basho... :)

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 12:35

o‰H”T•xŽm (Dewanofuji) beat him to it already last basho...

Yes, but Sumanofuji was a sekitori already last year. If not already in 2001? (Showing tongue at someone...)

A brief stint, admittedly.

Oh, I didn't notice Suma's kesho at the time... :-D
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Posted 28 April 2003 - 13:07

Why do you want to know this? The kanji are somewhat difficult to read for me. The first looks like •ู (as in •ูŒ์Žm - bengoshi - lawyer), the second looks like B (meaning state, as in ‹ใB - Kyushu or –{B - Honshu). There already is the problem that I have no word in my dictionary starting with these two kanji. The third kanji can really be a lot, for example Š๖ - I just can't read it as the right part is too tight. The next two are easier, ”๖์ - Ogawa, which is a normal name (place or surname). The last three of course are again Œใ‰‡‰๏ - koenkai, which means support group.

You missed the most obvious solution, Doitsuyama:

The text on Juzan's kesho-mawashi reads: ‹ใB‰Ÿ”๖์Œใ‰‡‰๏, which in English means "(the) Kyushu Oshiogawa(-beya) Koenkai."

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 13:17

This time there seems to be only one new kesho shown on kyokai's pages


So do you actually go through the kyokai page for every single sekitori looking for new kesho-mawashi, before every basho? This must require a lot of time... Or is there an easier way? :-D

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Posted 28 April 2003 - 22:46

So do you actually go through the kyokai page for every single sekitori looking for new kesho-mawashi, before every basho? This must require a lot of time... Or is there an easier way? (Blowing up furiously...)

Yes. All I have is surplus time. (Applauding...)
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 04:19

Wow! I never expected to see the name of Hirosaki here in this international forum! (Blowing up furiously...)

This is another geeky stuff, so skip this post if you're not. (Applauding...)


Itachi-zeki is right, ™ย ( Buddhist cross. "Manji" is the Japanese ) is applied
to indidate Buddhist temples in maps. Hirosaki has over 80 temples
despite of relatively less-populousness, and bears this ™ย for the City
Emblem ( Btw, Japan's every local government has its own emblem - is
this common in many nations? )
http://www.city.hiro...gaiyou/shishou/

But originally ™ย@used to be a family emblem of Tsugaru Family that reigned
Tsugaru Clan iwhose central town was Hirosaki ) in Edo period. Of course each
and every family also has its own family emblem up to this present day, like ones
you see in http://www8.plala.or...e11/tokusen.htm

Like Itachi-zeki mentioned, this is a swastika, which represents one of
Buddha's 32 sacred signs. This is supposed to be a whirled hair on Buddha's
chest. Japanese Buddhism has prefered ™ย to other counter-type one,
and this manji stands for fortune/bliss/good dhama/virture. The homepage of
Hirosaki City explains this emblem as a symbol of being altruistic and devoted
to society.

And of course, schools have emblems too. Takamisakari is from Hirosaki
Jitsugyo Koukou ( Hirosaki Commercial High ), its school emblem right
on his new kesho mawashi. ( for a side note, Iwakiyama is from the same
school and one year older than Sakari, so he should have one with the
same school emblem I guess... ). Again, as Itachi-zeki spotted, these two
kanji on the swastika reads, Hiro-Jitsu, abbreviation for Hirosaki Jitsugyo
Koukou. Some schools located in Hirosaki City have this manji for school
emblems.

If you're interested in how Hiro-Jitsu looks like,
http://www.h2.dion.n...n/hirojitsu.htm


Shimotori's kesho mawashi is apparently given by Tokitsukaze-Tokyo-Koenkai,
but I don't know how these two emblems are connected to the Koenkai
or possibly to the heya or the shools, or any special families.

Asasekiryu has his high school emblem Meitoku-Gijuku Koukou on the
brocade. Tochinonada, Takushoku-Daigaku's Emblem. Takekaze, Chuo-Daigaku's.
( No, not Iwakiyama!, :-( though this mawashi is presented by Aomori Daigaku! )

Edited by Amanogawa, 29 April 2003 - 06:46.


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Posted 29 April 2003 - 18:17

This is another geeky stuff, so skip this post if you're not. :-/
[...]
Of course each
and every family also has its own family emblem up to this present day, like ones
you see in http://www8.plala.or...e11/tokusen.htm

Thank you from a Japanophile and geek! (Heart)
That link is great! (Applauding...)

Btw, Japan's every local government has its own emblem - is this common in many nations?

In Croatia, counties have their coat-of-arms and flags, and cities have their coat-of-arms... mostly traditional, or from past feudal families that ruled most of the county or owned most of the town. If you look at our national flag, you'll see that it has five small coat-of-arms on top of the checkered one, representing five main parts of our country: central Croatia, city-state Dubrovnik, Dalmatia, Istria and Slavonia...
Slovenian coat-of-arms has three stars (eblem of once powerful noble family - Counts of Celje) above Triglav, their highest mountain.
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 23:01

Of course each and every family also has its own family emblem up to this present day, like ones you see in http://www8.plala.or...e11/tokusen.htm

These are the hanko, right? Used where a Western person would write a signature? Do Japanese carry those with them as they would carry, say, a pen?
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Posted 29 April 2003 - 23:07

In Croatia, counties have their coat-of-arms and flags, and cities have their coat-of-arms...

Same in Finland. Every province, county, town and municipality has its own coat of arms. For example this one's that of Lieto, my home municipality. He's Peter holding the keys to heaven. (Blowing up furiously...)

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 05:33

QUOTE Of course each and every family also has its own family emblem up to this present day, like ones you see in http://www8.plala.or...e11/tokusen.htm 

These are the hanko, right? Used where a Western person would write a signature? Do Japanese carry those with them as they would carry, say, a pen?

Well, they are not hanko ( but you do know we have "hanko"!! (Yikes...) )

These patterns are called "kamon ( ka ‰ฦ=house mon–ไarmorial bearing )".
Designs vary from animals ( butterflies, birds, rabbits, horses, etc ), geometrical
patterns, plants ( vines, Japanese plums, chrysanthemums, etc ),
general property ( knotted letters, bobbins, balls, fans, etc ) and to nature
(sun, moon, the Big Dipper, snowflakes, lightenings...).

Kamon originates in two big streams: Aristocratic origin and Samurai origin.
The former favored elegant and complicated patterns while the latter prefered
the smipler, strong one so they wouldn't need more than a glance to discern
friend or foe at battlefields.

Hanko is a very different thing which plays quite a big role in our
daily lives as being used for, ranging from easy receipts to very serious
documents or papers, like Kotoseiya said, as Westerner's signature.
Or hanko could be the name of your rank ( president, chief, yokozuna (Blowing up furiously...) and so on..),
or just your given name, or your gagou ( artist name ), or
simply what you wish it to be. If you like to have ˆคhanko (Heart)(Heart) , you could
just order.

hanko samples ( you can even order here! )
http://member.nifty....O/ICO hanko.htm


Btw, this is becoming obviously "off-topic".... Rijicho? (Playing a serenade...)

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Posted 30 April 2003 - 08:49

These patterns are called kamon.

D'oh! As soon as I see kamon written, I realize I've been mixing two words again. Kamon are the (two?) round symbols woven onto a sekitori's montsuki, right? Let's see if I can find an image. (I managed to turn this back to sumo, didn't I? :-) )
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