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#76 Asashosakari

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 18:01

To indulge my megalomania, here are torikumi guesses for the next round of bouts:

Group A:
Mz7  Ichiki (1-1)	Mz9  Kamenishiki (1-2)
Mz17 Nakajima (1-1)	Mz18 Matsuyama (1-2)
Mz26 Honda (1-1)	Mz23 Okawara (1-1)
Mz10 Asayudai (0-2)	Mz2  Fujita (0-2)
Mz24 Rikiyushi (0-1-1)	Mz34 Ishihara (0-2)

Group B:
Mz8  Kai (1-1)		Mz11 Arakaki (1-2)
Mz25 Nakazono (1-1)	Mz16 Yoshida (1-1)
Mz30 Takahashi (1-1)	Mz28 Kotomanabe (1-1)
Mz21 Inoue (0-2)	Mz12 Aoki (0-2)
Mz33 Chino (0-2)	Mz32 Kotouruga (0-2)

Edited by Asashosakari, 15 March 2012 - 18:02.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 21:45

I have updated the shikona in Sumo Reference now (except Kamenishiki, waiting for kanji) and also added the 38 bouts so far, including video links for each bout, making it easier to find specific bouts.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:26

Day 6 / Group A. Asatsurugi is back in action, and I've finally convinced my ears to hear "Haruminato" instead of "Brghu'ngsho":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEC_3TwDNiw

Results:

Mz10  Asayudai (0-3)          Mz2   Fujita (1-2)
Mz20  Asatsurugi (1-1-1)      Mz24  Rikiyushi (0-2-1)
Mz7   Ichiki (2-1)            Mz9   Kamenishiki (1-3)
Mz17  Haruminato (1-2)        Mz18  Matsuyama (2-2)
Mz23  Okawara (1-2)           Mz26  Honda (2-1)
Mz34  Ishihara (1-2)          Mz24  Rikiyushi (0-3-1)

A bit surprised they sent Rikiyushi into the additional bout, not Asayudai, but whatever. Maybe to make up for the day he missed, or perhaps it was decided beforehand to use the loser of the second bout as Ishihara's opponent (because bout #1 featured Fujita, Ishihara's stablemate).

Sorted standings:

Qualified:
#01  Mz4   Oisato     2-0
#03  Mz13  Kotoomura  2-0
#05  Mz14  Kotokudo   2-0
#07  Mz27  Fukushima  2-0
#09  Mz6   Morigaki   2-1
#11  Mz19  Kinjo      2-1
-------------------------
#14  Mz7   Ichiki     2-1
#16  Mz18  Matsuyama  2-2
#18  Mz26  Honda      2-1

Still active:
Mz2   Fujita        1-2       Mz10  Asayudai      0-3
Mz9   Kamenishiki   1-3       Mz24  Rikiyushi     0-3-1
Mz17  Haruminato    1-2
Mz20  Asatsurugi    1-1-1
Mz23  Okawara       1-2
Mz34  Ishihara      1-2

Still both Takasago and both Shikoroyama shindeshi in the competition.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:12


Interested in what the kimarite was in Osunaarashi's opening match.

The papers are saying sukuinage. Not sure if that's official.


The 13 shussei heroes of today

Just 12 actually, Oisato was absent for some reason, leaving Osunaarashi to be announced first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMT5jcCJfJs

Oisato 大勇人 (Yamamoto, Minezaki-beya)
Osunaarashi 大砂嵐 (Shaalan, Otake-beya)
Kotoomura 琴大村 (Omura, Sadogatake-beya)
Fukuzato (Kokonoe-beya)
Kotokudo 琴工藤 (Kudo, Sadogatake-beya)
Tsugaruumi 津軽海 (Uno, Tamanoi-beya)
Fukushima (Nishikido-beya)
Tsugarunada 津軽洋 (Hasegawa, Sakaigawa-beya)
Morigaki (Hakkaku-beya)
Kotomatsuo 琴松尾 (Matsuo, Sadogatake-beya)
Kinjo (Dewanoumi-beya)
Goto (Kasugayama-beya)
Nakano (Hakkaku-beya)

Tsugarunada's one of the rare cases where the adopted shikona wasn't actually used during the maezumo bouts. I'm not sure how the Kyokai site handled this the last time; it's possible his shikona history will show Hasegawa as well. BTW @Doitsuyama: Oisato's full shikona is Oisato Takeshi 大勇人 豪士. (The other Minezaki rikishi is Rikiyushi Sho 力優士 勝.)

Strangely, they lined up the shindeshi differently than they've always done it before (now starting at the "bottom left" of the screen instead of the bottom right).



East goes first on odd-numbered days, west first on even-numbered days. Other than Osaka, shinjo shusse is only on Nakabi, Day 8. (Sorry, this is my third and final attempt to clip the main message. I get 'quotes do not match up' each time)

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:39

East goes first on odd-numbered days, west first on even-numbered days. Other than Osaka, shinjo shusse is only on Nakabi, Day 8.

I don't think that's the reason...

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:01

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Strangely, they lined up the shindeshi differently than they've always done it before (now starting at the "bottom left" of the screen instead of the bottom right).

"Odd" day formation. We are used to seeing day 8 presentations.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:47


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Strangely, they lined up the shindeshi differently than they've always done it before (now starting at the "bottom left" of the screen instead of the bottom right).

"Odd" day formation. We are used to seeing day 8 presentations.

Hmm, that theory was presented just two posts above yours and rejected one post above (well, at least it wasn't done this way a year ago, also on day 5).

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 14:55

Hmm, that theory was presented just two posts above yours and rejected one post above (well, at least it wasn't done this way a year ago, also on day 5).

Neither on Day 9. Maybe it's an Osaka thing though, not an odd-numbered-days thing - I just remembered this ancient stream clip I was lucky to record (Haru 2005 Day 9), and sure enough they also lined up from the bottom left there. Hmm.

Ahh, there are also Day 5 and Day 12 clips from 2007 when sekihiryu was recording some stuff - bottom-left start both times there, too. Must be Osaka.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 15:07

That is very strange. Neither of the 2 posts immediately above mine was visible when I made my posting! I logged in just before 10 o'clock this morning, so it wasn't because the window had been sitting around with the thread open for a long while. And it wasn't my usual mistake where I don't notice that there is a new page in a thread beyond the one I am reading. And I have completely stopped using Internet Stupid Explorer Stupid 7, so it wasn't that either!

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 15:07

Revision to my torikumi guess after learning something new again. :-) It looks like rikishi getting moved from one side to the other is only temporary, and they'll be back to their original side for the third day, possibly causing another rikishi to make the same move instead. (Okawara/Honda on Day 5.) Also, unless heya considerations prevent it, the rikishi getting moved seems to be the one at the bottom of the list (highest Mz number in my system). As such, I'm changing my guesses for the 0-2 rikishi from:

Group B:
Mz8  Kai (1-1)          Mz11 Arakaki (1-2)
Mz25 Nakazono (1-1)     Mz16 Yoshida (1-1)
Mz30 Takahashi (1-1)    Mz28 Kotomanabe (1-1)
Mz21 Inoue (0-2)        Mz12 Aoki (0-2)
Mz33 Chino (0-2)        Mz32 Kotouruga (0-2)

to Aoki-Kotouruga and Inoue-Chino. Aoki was originally on the East, so there's a 3:1 split among the 0-2 rikishi (not the 2:2 I anticipated), and if my deductions are right it'll be Chino moving to the West.

Edited by Asashosakari, 16 March 2012 - 15:09.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 00:21

Day 7 / Group B. Two no-shows (Hakkaku's Kai, Otake's Chino) not only mean my guess was way off, but also resulted in just four bouts today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XUiDeqLTHc

Results:

Mz21  Inoue (1-2)             Mz32  Kotouruga (0-3)
Mz12  Aoki (0-3)              Mz11  Arakaki (2-2)
Mz16  Yoshida (1-3)           Mz28  Kotomanabe (2-2)
Mz25  Nakazono (2-1)          Mz30  Takahashi (1-2)

They moved the highest 1-win rikishi (Yoshida) from the West to the East, not the lowest one (Takahashi), oh well. On the upside, through three rounds of bouts we didn't see any repeated matchups in either group. (That's probably not going to hold for the fourth round.)

Sorted standings:

Qualified:
#02  Mz1   Osunaarashi  2-0
#04  Mz3   Fukuzato     2-1
#06  Mz5   Tsugaruumi   2-0
#08  Mz22  Hasegawa     2-0
#10  Mz31  Kotomatsuo   2-0
#12  Mz15  Goto         2-1
#13  Mz29  Nakano       2-1
---------------------------
#15  Mz11  Arakaki      2-2
#17  Mz28  Kotomanabe   2-2
#19  Mz25  Nakazono     2-1

Still active:
Mz8   Kai           1-1-1     Mz12  Aoki          0-3
Mz16  Yoshida       1-3       Mz32  Kotouruga     0-3
Mz21  Inoue         1-2       Mz33  Chino         0-2-1
Mz30  Takahashi     1-2


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 01:04

Trying again with a silly schedule guess. Day 8 / Group A:

Mz17 Haruminato (1-2)	Mz2  Fujita (1-2)
Mz20 Asatsurugi (1-1-1)	Mz9  Kamenishiki (1-3)
Mz23 Okawara (1-2)	Mz34 Ishihara (1-2)
Mz10 Asayudai (0-3)	Mz24 Rikiyushi (0-2-1)

That assumes no absences in that group. Assuming things actually work out like that, the losers of the first three bouts and the winner of the last one should be matched up for another two bouts. And the losers of that round will get one last chance to achieve win #2, unless the resulting matchup is Asatsurugi-Asayudai or Fujita-Ishihara.

Edited by Asashosakari, 17 March 2012 - 01:05.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:16

I've finally convinced my ears to hear "Haruminato" instead of "Brghu'ngsho":


Interference from the Klingon Empire is a known problem on the NSK stream - they are working feverishly on a solution.

Trying again with a silly schedule guess. Day 8 / Group A:

Mz17 Haruminato (1-2)	Mz2  Fujita (1-2)
Mz20 Asatsurugi (1-1-1)	Mz9  Kamenishiki (1-3)
Mz23 Okawara (1-2)	Mz34 Ishihara (1-2)
Mz10 Asayudai (0-3)	Mz24 Rikiyushi (0-2-1)

That assumes no absences in that group. Assuming things actually work out like that, the losers of the first three bouts and the winner of the last one should be matched up for another two bouts. And the losers of that round will get one last chance to achieve win #2, unless the resulting matchup is Asatsurugi-Asayudai or Fujita-Ishihara.


Unfortunately, I don't think there are any wakaimonogashira positions becoming available for a few years yet, but then again it never hurts to get your application in early. :-D

By the way, Tsugarunada's shikona history on his Kyokai page is just that - Tsugarunada. Maybe it was a late decision, or the paperwork wasn't signed in time or something. I do like the idea that two completely unrelated deshi in different heya have received shikona which, to my eyes anyway, are rather similar (Tsugarunada and Tsugaruumi).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 02:34


I've finally convinced my ears to hear "Haruminato" instead of "Brghu'ngsho":


Interference from the Klingon Empire is a known problem on the NSK stream - they are working feverishly on a solution.

(Laughing...)


I do like the idea that two completely unrelated deshi in different heya have received shikona which, to my eyes anyway, are rather similar (Tsugarunada and Tsugaruumi).

Not quite unrelated - both Tsugaruumi the elder and shindeshi Hasegawa hail from hometowns located right near Aomori prefecture's Tsugaru peninsula (Kuroishi-shi and Fukaura-machi, respectively).

Edited by Asashosakari, 17 March 2012 - 02:37.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:06

Grr...they opened up the stream way late today, so I'm not even sure the first bout on my recording was the first bout that took place. Anyway, Day 8 / Group A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JB7uECZETE

Results:

Mz10  Asayudai (0-4)          Mz24  Rikiyushi (1-3-1)
Mz17  Haruminato (1-3)        Mz2   Fujita (2-2)
Mz20  Asatsurugi (2-1-1)      Mz9   Kamenishiki (1-4)
Mz23  Okawara (2-2)           Mz34  Ishihara (1-3)

Mz9   Kamenishiki (2-4)       Mz24  Rikiyushi (1-4-1)
Mz17  Haruminato (2-3)        Mz34  Ishihara (1-4)

The first bout on the video is Haruminato-Fujita (with Haruminato a strictly visual identification - confirmation appreciated). That there was an Asayudai-Rikiyushi bout before that is strictly my conjecture, mostly based on how long they took to organize the final two bouts; if Asayudai was absent altogether and Kamenishiki-Rikiyushi was only a "fill-in" bout because of odd-numbered deshi, they should have needed less deliberation. We should be getting confirmation by tomorrow's shindeshi presentation - Rikiyushi at 1-4-1 should be in a different spot than Rikiyushi at 0-4-1.

Sorted standings (qualifier numbers possibly to be revised slightly based on tomorrow's Group B results):

Qualified:
#01  Mz4   Oisato       2-0
#03  Mz13  Kotoomura    2-0
#05  Mz14  Kotokudo     2-0
#07  Mz27  Fukushima    2-0
#09  Mz6   Morigaki     2-1
#11  Mz19  Kinjo        2-1
---------------------------
#14  Mz7   Ichiki       2-1
#16  Mz18  Matsuyama    2-2
#18  Mz26  Honda        2-1
#20  Mz2   Fujita       2-2
#22  Mz20  Asatsurugi   2-1-1
#24  Mz23  Okawara      2-2
#26  Mz9   Kamenishiki  2-4
#28  Mz17  Haruminato   2-3

Remaining order:
#29  Mz34  Ishihara     1-4
#31  Mz24  Rikiyushi    1-4-1
#32  Mz10  Asayudai     0-4

Edited by Asashosakari, 19 March 2012 - 00:11.


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:21

And at last, Day 9 / Group B, the final instalment of the Haru basho maezumo. Hakkaku-beya's Kai returned to action while Otake's Chino remained absent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfV8yADIG8A

Results:

Mz8   Kai (2-1-1)             Mz16  Yoshida (1-4)
Mz21  Inoue (1-3)             Mz30  Takahashi (2-2)
Mz12  Aoki (0-4)              Mz32  Kotouruga (1-3)

Mz21  Inoue (1-4)             Mz16  Yoshida (2-4)

Mz21  Inoue (1-5)             Mz32  Kotouruga (2-3)

Lucky Kotouruga managed to achieve full qualification at the last moment.

Sorted standings:

Qualified:
#02  Mz1   Osunaarashi  2-0
#04  Mz3   Fukuzato     2-1
#06  Mz5   Tsugaruumi   2-0
#08  Mz22  Hasegawa     2-0
#10  Mz31  Kotomatsuo   2-0
#12  Mz15  Goto         2-1
#13  Mz29  Nakano       2-1
---------------------------
#15  Mz11  Arakaki      2-2
#17  Mz28  Kotomanabe   2-2
#19  Mz25  Nakazono     2-1
#21  Mz8   Kai          2-1-1
#23  Mz30  Takahashi    2-2
#25  Mz16  Yoshida      2-4
#27  Mz32  Kotouruga    2-3

Remaining order:
#30  Mz21  Inoue         1-5
#33  Mz12  Aoki          0-4
#34  Mz33  Chino         0-2-2

Niban shusse again in high sandanme today, a few hours from now.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 16:34

Lucky Kotouruga managed to achieve full qualification at the last moment.


Avenging his Day 7 loss to Inoue, who had a rough day. I didn't see the niban shusse, but there are a couple of shikona changes:

Inoue himself will be Sadanohana, while Ishihara simply adds -yama to his name. Iwamoto will be something-nishiki, but I'm not entirely surely what 八女 is. Yamenishiki?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 16:43

Inoue himself will be Sadanohana, while Ishihara simply adds -yama to his name. Iwamoto will be something-nishiki, but I'm not entirely surely what 八女 is. Yamenishiki?

Yeah, that's our "Kamenishiki". (Laughing...) That it's "Yame-" was actually pretty easy to determine on the shusse announcement (video coming in a bit), so imagine my surprise after all those maezumo calls of his shikona being heard differently...

Ishihara(yama) was absent from the presentation, while Oisato got to wear a kesho after all after missing his actual shusse four days ago.

Also, I'm still not 100% convinced about the Asayudai-Rikiyuzan bout I postulated for Day 8, but Rikiyuzan's placement in the queue indicates a win (and thus the existence of that bout) to me. There were some funky things in the qualification queue though, but more on that once I've checked the video content against the official qualifier list.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 17:01


Iwamoto will be something-nishiki, but I'm not entirely surely what 八女 is. Yamenishiki?

Yeah, that's our "Kamenishiki". (Laughing...) That it's "Yame-" was actually pretty easy to determine on the shusse announcement (video coming in a bit), so imagine my surprise after all those maezumo calls of his shikona being heard differently...


Haha, quite clearly we have a Kyokai insider reading this thread and suggesting such in-jokes to throw us off the scent. I was sure of Kamenishiki too, so I just took it as read that Iwamoto was a totally different shindeshi getting a shikona change. As you may have noticed I'm not the most observant of people when it comes to things in plain sight ;-), so I'm off to Specsavers myself.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 22:34

Better late than...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Bqka9sA5k

Ichiki (Hakkaku-beya)
Matsuyama (Dewanoumi-beya)
Arakaki (Naruto-beya)
Kotomanabe 琴真鍋 (Manabe, Sadogatake-beya)
Honda (Nishikido-beya)
Nakazono (Matsugane-beya)
Fujita (Shikoroyama-beya)
Kai (Hakkaku-beya)
Asatsurugi 朝剣 (Shibazuka, Takasago-beya)
Takahashi (Kokonoe-beya)
Okawara (Azumazeki-beya)
Yoshida (Kasugayama-beya)
Yamenishiki 八女錦 (Iwamoto, Takadagawa-beya)
Kotouruga 琴宇留賀 (Uruga, Sadogatake-beya)
Haruminato 榛湊 (Nakajima, Minato-beya)
Ishiharayama 石原山 (Ishihara, Shikoroyama-beya)
Sadanohana 佐田ノ華 (Inoue, Sakaigawa-beya)
Rikiyushi 力優士 (Morooka, Minezaki-beya)
Aoki (Takanohana-beya)
Asayudai 朝雄大 (Shimokawa, Takasago-beya)
Chino (Otake-beya)

I have absolutely no idea why the first four deshi were ordered Ichiki/Matsuyama/Arakaki/Kotomanabe (AABB by group) instead of the usual interleaved pattern.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 08:48

The first bout on the video is Haruminato-Fujita (with Haruminato a strictly visual identification - confirmation appreciated). That there was an Asayudai-Rikiyushi bout before that is strictly my conjecture, mostly based on how long they took to organize the final two bouts; if Asayudai was absent altogether and Kamenishiki-Rikiyushi was only a "fill-in" bout because of odd-numbered deshi, they should have needed less deliberation. We should be getting confirmation by tomorrow's shindeshi presentation - Rikiyushi at 1-4-1 should be in a different spot than Rikiyushi at 0-4-1.

Well, there wasn't another bout before Haruminato-Fujita apparently. On the bright side, I didn't find other differences to your notes. The database is corrected now and the kimarite are added (as well as the two new first names for Asayudai and Asatsurugi). Big thanks to Nishinoshima for coming up with these pics.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 09:26

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 11:35

Well, there wasn't another bout before Haruminato-Fujita apparently. On the bright side, I didn't find other differences to your notes.

And it means we actually caught all bouts on video, so that's something. I'll have to revise several hypotheses about how they're ranking the 1-win and 0-win rikishi for the shusse, though...

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 15:31

Former Juryo Tsugaruumi's grandson Uno Masanobu (15) is joining Tamanoi beya. He has been doing sumo since he was three, apparently, influenced by his grandfather.He was a runner up in a tournament when he was in sixth grade. He initially planned to go to high school, but his grandfather fell ill and is hospitalized. "I wanted to join sumo as quickly as possible and make him happy," he explained. The grandfather trained current Tamanoi's father at Kasugano beya back then. "The kid has his grandfather's features. His sumo is great and it will be fun watching him grow," said ex-Tamanoi.

15 years old??
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The grandfather passed away today at the age of 85. The grandson is 5-0 in Jonidan


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A guy who is up all night arguing with himself over whether or not there is a dog.

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