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#1 Pippooshu

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 10:43

I'm sorry...I'm going to Japan for 17th october until december and I'll be in Tokyo and Nagano (Suwa-gun) above all. Do you know some info about radiations from Fukushima? Is it dangerous to be in Tokyo and Nagano or to eat local food? Do you know some official data????

Please, answer to me b'cause I'm very worried!
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:02

There is a growing body of information out there, and it is not easy to keep up with the discussion surrounding it all. A few resources to get started:

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
http://www.facebook.com/#!/Tokyo.Radiation.Levels

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 16:50

Ignore the hysteria mongers, and ask yourself how many of the millions of Japanese who have been living in the areas you will visit have been confirmed to have suffered any legitimate ill effects from the radiation. I have yet to hear of a single case.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 17:24

Ignore the hysteria mongers, and ask yourself how many of the millions of Japanese who have been living in the areas you will visit have been confirmed to have suffered any legitimate ill effects from the radiation. I have yet to hear of a single case.

Oh, but this can take years I'm told. They may be already affected, but may die from radiation say in 70 years time.

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A guy who is up all night arguing with himself over whether or not there is a dog.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 17:54

Ignore the hysteria mongers, and ask yourself how many of the millions of Japanese who have been living in the areas you will visit have been confirmed to have suffered any legitimate ill effects from the radiation. I have yet to hear of a single case.

Oh, but this can take years I'm told. They may be already affected, but may die from radiation say in 70 years time.

I have it on good authority that the death rate of people currently living in Japan will eventually be 100%.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 19:46

Is it dangerous to be in Tokyo


Yes it's very dangerous here. You should stay there.


I read it like a sarcastic sentence but I think there isn't a reason. I'm not an expert and my question is an humble asking. I don't wanna affront anyone. :-( ;-)
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 10:57

I'm not an expert and my question is an humble asking.

I don't think there's anything wrong with asking.

Another site you may wish to look at is Safecast.

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Posted 13 October 2011 - 21:57

Today has been published an ugly news: Greepeace has noticed in Tokyo high level radiations like Fukushima, specifically in Setagaya and Funabashi (Chiba).

Autorities said the cause was the cinders found again inside a basement but Greenpeace thinks the real cause is cooling the Fukushima Daiichi's corium done in the wrong way.

High radiations level in Tokyo...hmmm, this isn't a good news. (Holiday feeling...)

Edited by Pippooshu, 13 October 2011 - 21:59.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 06:37

Today has been published an ugly news: Greepeace has noticed in Tokyo high level radiations like Fukushima, specifically in Setagaya and Funabashi (Chiba).

Autorities said the cause was the cinders found again inside a basement but Greenpeace thinks the real cause is cooling the Fukushima Daiichi's corium done in the wrong way.

High radiations level in Tokyo...hmmm, this isn't a good news. (Holiday feeling...)

The source of the small hotspot in Setagaya-ku Tokyo has tentatively been identified: http://ex-skf.blogsp...sievertshr.html

There are reports that the high radiation readings reported by citizens in Funabashi have been unable to be reproduced when follow-up readings were taken by the city.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 09:10

Today has been published an ugly news: Greepeace has noticed in Tokyo high level radiations like Fukushima, specifically in Setagaya and Funabashi (Chiba).

Autorities said the cause was the cinders found again inside a basement but Greenpeace thinks the real cause is cooling the Fukushima Daiichi's corium done in the wrong way.

High radiations level in Tokyo...hmmm, this isn't a good news. (Neener, neener...)

The source of the small hotspot in Setagaya-ku Tokyo has tentatively been identified: http://ex-skf.blogsp...sievertshr.html

There are reports that the high radiation readings reported by citizens in Funabashi have been unable to be reproduced when follow-up readings were taken by the city.


It seems an alibi from authorities...bottles with radium inside a basement in Setagaya-ku!!!??? Data not conformed in Funabashi?? Don't seems so worthy of confidence... (Holiday feeling...)

Edited by Pippooshu, 14 October 2011 - 09:10.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 13:53

It seems an alibi from authorities...bottles with radium inside a basement in Setagaya-ku!!!??? Data not conformed in Funabashi?? Don't seems so worthy of confidence... (Holiday feeling...)

Get over it already and buy a Geiger counter (available for 150 or so I think). You should start counting on the long distance flight to Japan though as you will quite probably detect the highest levels by far in that height - and not in Tokyo.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 15:10

If you are so afraid of the effects of radiation, you better not go. Otherwise you will regret it for the rest of your life and blame any future malaise you might have on the time spent in Japan.

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 21:47

If you are so afraid of the effects of radiation, you better not go. Otherwise you will regret it for the rest of your life and blame any future malaise you might have on the time spent in Japan.


You don't be wrong. I imagine to have gone a little to the panic. I must calm me...after all, the Kokugikan museum cannot wait... (Holiday feeling...)
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 01:05

If you are so afraid of the effects of radiation, you better not go. Otherwise you will regret it for the rest of your life and blame any future malaise you might have on the time spent in Japan.


You don't be wrong. I imagine to have gone a little to the panic. I must calm me...after all, the Kokugikan museum cannot wait... (Holiday feeling...)

Have a look at this NYT report. The writer is usually reliable.

Radioactive Hot Spots in Tokyo Point to Wider Problems

*It's not about Setagaya-ku.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 06:22

If you are so afraid of the effects of radiation, you better not go. Otherwise you will regret it for the rest of your life and blame any future malaise you might have on the time spent in Japan.


You don't be wrong. I imagine to have gone a little to the panic. I must calm me...after all, the Kokugikan museum cannot wait... (Holiday feeling...)

Have a look at this NYT report. The writer is usually reliable.

Radioactive Hot Spots in Tokyo Point to Wider Problems

*It's not about Setagaya-ku.


...And now my panic grows up again... (Neener, neener...)
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 09:43

...And now my panic grows up again... (Holiday feeling...)


I don't want to sound nasty (as some others have done) but if you are so easily misled by hysterical out-of-Japan journalism (or inside-Japan non-journalists), it might be better for you not to come at this time. Unless you have already bought your ticket, (in which case, come anyway, we are here to help you), why not make your journey somewhat later when much of this nonsense has died down? For instance, anybody who thinks that Funabashi is in Tokyo does not live here. Or that Chiba is part of Tokyo? It's in a different prefecture at the end of a very long train ride. The train passes through Ryogoku where I live (and where the sumo headquarters are located) but people who want to actually go to Funabashi or Chiba take the express.

Best wishes anyway, and I hope to meet you and share sumo enjoyment when you eventually get here.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:32

The writer is usually reliable.

Must've been the American contributing writer who inserted all-around anti-nuclear activist Robert Alvarez as an unbiased commentator ("nuclear expert") into the story, then...

Edited by Asashosakari, 15 October 2011 - 11:36.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 15:31

The writer is usually reliable.

Must've been the American contributing writer who inserted all-around anti-nuclear activist Robert Alvarez as an unbiased commentator ("nuclear expert") into the story, then...

I'd be interested in your assessment on what the commentator was quoted as saying. Was his support of the Japanese nuclear experts' calls for more comprehensive testing suspect in some way?

Edited by Otokonoyama, 15 October 2011 - 15:32.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 16:05

I'd be interested in your assessment on what the commentator was quoted as saying. Was his support of the Japanese nuclear experts' calls for more comprehensive testing suspect in some way?

Are we talking about the same person? I find

the citizens’ groups’ groups’ measurements “raise major and unprecedented concerns about the aftermath of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.”

to be hilariously over the top, to a degree that instantly triggered my BS detector. In my experience there's a better than 90% likelihood that any such comment is being uttered by somebody who either doesn't have any clue whatsoever, or is a shill for or against whatever topic is under discussion. YMMV, I guess.

Doesn't invalidate the rest of the article, of course, but this reliance on Rent-A-Quote guys (and either ignorantly or willfully not giving context about the persons you quote, because that would make it abundantly obvious how unreliable they are) in order to dress up news reports as just scare-mongering enough for contemporary reader sensibilities ticks me off. Who needs the NYT for this? Lowest-common-denominator journalism can be found anywhere.

More general comment about the issue: Radioactive hot spots in Tokyo obviously require attention, no matter what their origin. But so do street intersections with significantly above-average car accident rates, and nobody goes bonkers about those or writes articles in internationally-read newspapers.

Edited by Asashosakari, 15 October 2011 - 16:09.


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Posted 15 October 2011 - 20:27

...And now my panic grows up again... :-)


I don't want to sound nasty (as some others have done) but if you are so easily misled by hysterical out-of-Japan journalism (or inside-Japan non-journalists), it might be better for you not to come at this time. Unless you have already bought your ticket, (in which case, come anyway, we are here to help you), why not make your journey somewhat later when much of this nonsense has died down? For instance, anybody who thinks that Funabashi is in Tokyo does not live here. Or that Chiba is part of Tokyo? It's in a different prefecture at the end of a very long train ride. The train passes through Ryogoku where I live (and where the sumo headquarters are located) but people who want to actually go to Funabashi or Chiba take the express.

Best wishes anyway, and I hope to meet you and share sumo enjoyment when you eventually get here.

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Kishinoyama Posted Today, 18:13
Pippooshu - My wife was in Japan in early April for two weeks. She was in Tokyo, then areas to the South and then back in Tokyo visiting family and friends. She had no problems other than some delays with transportation. At that time, all airplanes coming from Japan were being checked for radiation. By the time my wife came back they were not even checking them anymore. She was completely safe and has had no health problems since coming back. I suggest you go and have a good time. You will be perfectly fine while you are there.


Thanks a lot to all of you. You are very comprehensive and kind. I've already had my ticket for Japan and I'll be there for 18th. I'll stay in Nagano-ken (Suwa-gun) and Tokyo for 1 month and little more. I was afraid b'cause I'll be there with my wife and my boy, he is 2 months young!!! But, like you said, many people and many babies living there.

I hope to live an happy period...

PS: Kokugikan apart, do you know any sumo shop in Ryogoku, where I can buy something autentic and interesting?

Edited by Pippooshu, 15 October 2011 - 20:31.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 07:55

She was completely safe and has had no health problems since coming back.

My nitpicking nature arises - possible health consequences of the level of radiation mentioned in the article would only be observable DECADES after the exposure. Just like other causes (smoking, eating barbecue, possibly overuse of mobile phones etc), increased risk of cancer from radiation is a long-term lottery. It doesn't strike everyone exposed, it doesn't manifest itself in the same manner in all those it strikes, and it certainly doesn't manifest itself in a month or a year.
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