Stage is yours. I'll chuck in my salt later myself.
Edited by Rijicho, 24 April 2004 - 09:29.
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Posted 24 April 2004 - 10:12
Posted 24 April 2004 - 11:51
Musashimaru (9 - 4) 16 vs 4 Takanonami (12- 1)
4-16 is a pretty poor record for an ozeki to have against another ozeki,
considering that they both were promoted around the same time. For those
of you who get to see Takanonami fight every day, what seems to be the
difference this time. Has he changed his fighting style a lot, or has he
just got more focus? The lackluster effort by Musashimaru in this and the
last basho, Akebono's troubles, the inconsistency of the four ozeki
candidates (Kaio, Musoyama, Tosanoumi, and Kotonishiki), and the fact that
Takanonami doesn't face Takanohana, Wakanohana, Takatoriki, or Akinoshima
all lead to a scary possibility: Takanonami promoted to yokozuna. He could
finish 14-1 this time, and without much competition, he might be able to put
together a couple of flashy records in the next two basho. I assume that
the sumo kyokai is not real high on his fighting spirit and ways of winning,
but if he can put together a couple of jun-yushos and maybe Takanohana
doesn't zensho... Well, anyway, he might be back to the same old Takanonami
that we know and love in March.
Takanohana was pretty surprised by the Ozeki's quick
tachiai. In an odd move, the Yokozuna soon tried for a
kirikaeshi, but Ozeki was too strong. After various new
attempts by both, Hana got Nami sideways and to the edge,
where Nami stood squarely on top of the rice bales, but
not touching outside. Nami slipped back, and Hana came
along to try for the killer. But instead of going down
alone, Nami pulled down Hana from his right side, and
the Yokozuna dropped underneath Nami. This was a really
good one, not like the Taka/Waka kettei-sen. I have a
ton of things to do this week, so I can't make any
promises on the date, but I will be digitizing this one
and making it available to ftp sites that can accept it.
And for those of you who think that Takanonami does not deserve to be
Ozeki, please note that he has beaten Musashimaru seven times in a row
now, and is 2-0 against Takanohana in playoffs. I think he's
clearly much better than any of the Sekiwake we've seen recently, too.
Yugo Nov 1997.
I have a real question in regards of the playoffs. I have noticed that 3
playoffs that involved the 3 from the same stable, the 2 ozeki have beat
him. I really wonder if he (Takanohana) really poured out all his strength
to win. This playoff, Nohana seemed to let Nami win. I did not see the
power he used against Maru. I really wonder that Nohana let him win since
it was be good for the Nami and Nohana really didn't have to win because of
his record and that he wouldn't get demoted. I really wonder if any of you
agree with this?
I really didn't see any fight on Nohana. Seemed rather easy for Nami!
or is Nohana not really a strong rikishi when it comes to upper level
rikishi from his stable and if he had the same schedule as Ake & Maru,
whould he be as good as he is with his light schedule? Or is the matches
Sorry Nohana Fans, but it really seems fishy that Nohana lost so easily!
Just my three cents!
According to a Japanese report, the reason of him visited hospital was
"irregular heart beat". He stayed over night for the exam and
precautious purposes, then he went back. He said that it's "nothing
serious" and he will start practicing as soon as the new year break is
He has only a week to prepare for Hatsu-basho. Certainly it's not a
great news to him. But then he is very unusual type of rikishi and he is
very much unpredictable. When he won yusho in Kyushu, his knee condition
was far from perfect, but you know the result.
For regular rikishi, visiting hospital is a bad news, but this might be
a good sign for Takanonami to stay in his own "my-pace". And he is "my
pace" type of rikishi.
Well, it finally happened!
Takanonami just lost to Glow-in-the-dark Toki by Oshitaoshi, is MK and
will be demoted to Sekiwake!
I for one am sad to see this happen, but I do believe it was
Anyone believe he can make a comeback?
My gut feeling says no...
Greetings from a Sumo fan from the Netherlands,
Jan "Chijanofuji" de Veen
Edited by sekihiryu, 24 April 2004 - 12:15.
Posted 24 April 2004 - 15:11
Posted 25 April 2004 - 01:35
Great info Sekihiryu.
I did some trawling through the vast files at SML archive and found these tidbits ...
Posted 25 April 2004 - 08:09
Posted 25 April 2004 - 20:26
Edited by Kashunowaka, 30 April 2004 - 19:53.
Posted 26 April 2004 - 07:31
Yes it does makes sense doesn't it?
Judging from these bouts, the Takanonami Way is to let the opponent think that he has the upper hand. In other words, if the opponent wants morozashi he can have it! It just gives Nami the opportunity to exert his deadly grip where he clamps both arms from above. Kimedashi and kotenage are Takanonami's bread and butter. His yorikiri is often the result of a kime-hold. He also wins several bouts with uwatenage and shitatenage, but I have the impression that those techniques are not only used as offence, but are just as much defence techniques to Takanonami.
Posted 27 April 2004 - 23:36
Posted 28 April 2004 - 03:03
Edited by hoshidango, 28 April 2004 - 03:04.
Posted 28 April 2004 - 16:13
Edited by Zentoryu, 28 April 2004 - 17:03.
Posted 28 April 2004 - 16:38
Posted 28 April 2004 - 17:33
I must admit, that pretty much echoes my thoughts. There just doesn't seem too much to talk about Takanonami after he has been around for sooo long, and I'm saying that as one who voted for him in that "who's your most favorite rikishi ever?" poll a few months ago. And beyond that, the voting that gave us this thread sort of smacked of "quick, let's talk about the guy before he goes intai", which didn't really seem like a winning strategy to get people talking about somebody...
Nami's been around forever and most of the veterans of this forum, and of sumo in general, know as much as there is to know about him. Which is probably a good reason for the lack of posts to this thread, at least by forum vets.
Edited by Asashosakari, 28 April 2004 - 17:37.
Posted 28 April 2004 - 17:47
Posted 28 April 2004 - 18:24
Virtual Oyakata: Musashigawa Mitsuhide (Yokozuna Musashimaru)
Proud passenger of the "future Yokozuna Kyokushuho" bandwagon.
Posted 28 April 2004 - 19:55
You shouldn't let that stop you!
this is why we "younger fans" didn't post here.We haven't watched him at his peak and we certainly don't know that much about him.....
I agree about that. On a more negative note, Takanonami's defensive style has brought him quite a lot of criticism. Quote from the SML, in addition to those already posted by Sekihiryu:
To me Nami was always the king of defense and when I think of kimedashi or
kawazugake, I think of Takanonami.
The basho in question was Haru 1995. Takanonami ended with 9-6.
I think if Takanonami does not change his sumo style, he should be happy
with his current Ozeki position. His slump is based on his sumo style. The
way many oyakata, including Dewanoumi Rijicho, comment on his sumo style is
that since he is winning even with his terrible sumo style, he must be
enormously talented, or that must be good sumo style for him. Nobody said
it is a great sumo technique. His sumo style is something oyakata used to
tell younger rikishi not to immitate.
Sumo kyokai expect yokozuna to be a model for younger rikishi. Takanonami's
sumo style can't be a model for any other rikishi. That is one of the
reason why he was never mentioned as a yokozuna candidate even though he
has been winning 12 or so constantly. Everyone knows his style. While he is
not working on improving his sumo skill, other rikishi are studying his
style and start catching up with him. That is happening this basho, I
Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:54
Posted 29 April 2004 - 19:30
Posted 29 April 2004 - 19:49
Edited by Tumppi, 29 April 2004 - 19:49.
Posted 29 April 2004 - 21:20
Posted 29 April 2004 - 21:24
As a former ozeki, he is more or less expected to quit if he faces demotion to juryo.
Would 'nami quit if he dropped to juryo?
Posted 29 April 2004 - 21:56
(Pulling up a swede...) great foresight! you picked it like a swede!
Of course, now that I've said this, it will probably spark a million posts about him.
Posted 29 April 2004 - 22:00
and that was a Mitoizumi special worth of salt too! superb. This forum will soon become the online Mecca for Sumo information!
I'll chuck in my salt later myself.
Posted 29 April 2004 - 23:59
Are you sure you're thinking of Takanonami? For the last year or so (except Hatsu 2004), his pattern has actually been pretty much the opposite...usually close to make-koshi by Day 10 (3-7 four times, 4-6 once), only to rally a bit during the final days and pick up some more wins, but still unable to avoid going MK eventually.
Takanonami of late has a bad habit of starting a basho with roar, going 6-7 days with with only 1 loss then falling to pieces in the second half of the draw, I wonder does he himself doubt he can do it? does he get nervous?
Edited by Asashosakari, 30 April 2004 - 00:00.
Posted 30 April 2004 - 14:49
Edited by Ryunokaze, 30 April 2004 - 15:02.
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