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Jul 10, 2010, 06:40
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
Jake Adelstein has an interesting (to say the least) angle on the gambling scandal. Includes an interesting take on who was behind Asashoryu's final fall from grace.
It's a fascinating read, but how much of it is true? I don't know that much about Adelstein, but his credentials as an authority on the Japanese media, police, and yakuza look unimpeachable. QUOTE Jake Adelstein, author of Tokyo Vice and an authority on organised crime in Japan, said the scandal was connected with a fresh crackdown on a notoriously violent faction within the Yamaguchi-gumi that also had strong ties to the sumo world. "The media haven't suddenly decided to expose the relationship between sumo and the yakuza," Adelstein said. "The details were leaked to them by the police. <snip> The current scandals involving Japan's organized crime groups, the yakuza, and the Sumo Association, and the sport of Sumo itself shouldn't be seen as an aberration in Japanese society or something that has never existed before–that would be missing the point. It simply is one battle in a war between Japan's National Police Agency and Japan's most powerful criminal organization, the Yamaguchi-gumi, which began on September of 2009. The damage inflicted on the image of Sumo as Japan's national sport and the careers of many sumo wrestlers; they simply are casualties of war. And in the case of the Sumo association, some of those wounds are also decidedly self-inflicted. <snip> The story really begins at last year's Nagoya tournament when member of the Yamaguchi-gumi Kodokai were given front-row seats at the match and appeared in the NHK television broadcasts. <snip> However, the Aichi Prefectural Police were aware of the special seating arrangements for Kodokai members since 2006 according to police sources; it simply wasn't an issue for them. In September of 2009, Ando Tokuharu, the head of Japan's National Police Agency declared war on the Yamaguchi-gumi Kodokai (4,000 members), the ruling faction of the Yamaguchi-gumi, Japan's largest syndicate (40,000 members) and directed all police departments in Japan to devote their energies to arresting Kodokai members, crippling their businesses and front companies, destroying their revenue sources, removing their spheres of influence, and inflicting as much damage to the group as possible, by any means possible. The declaration partly has to deal with the Kodokai's attempts to intimidate police officers and their refusal to honor the unwritten agreements of cooperation between law enforcement and organized crime that have existed for decades. From October of 2009, discussions began at the NPA level on how to expose the Kodokai and Sumo world ties in a way that would do the maximum damage to the Kodokai, on a reputational level. The police have always known that the Sumo world and the yakuza world were connected. Now for the first time they were ready to make an issue of it. <snip> This year, the Mongolian born Sumo wrestler Asashoryu, assaulted a civilian, paid damages to keep it quiet, and then the story was leaked to the media nevertheless. The resulting scandal forced him to retire. The "victim" in this case reportedly repeatedly provoked and poked and prodded Asashoryu until the point where Asashoryu lost his temper and punched him. The "victim" also allegedly had ties to the Yamaguchi-gumi. What the authorities believe and so did other Mongolian Sumo wrestlers in the Sumo Association, was that Asashoryu was "set-up" for a fall by a rival Japanese sumo wrestler faction in the organization which wanted to get rid of him and diminish the Mongolian faction influence. They supposedly did this by outsourcing the work to the Yamaguchi-gumi Kodokai. Whether that was the case or not, when Asashoryu was questioned by the police about the incident, he talked about a lot of things and aired a lot of grievances. As did the Sumo wrestlers who were kicked out for alleged use of marijuana. <snip> The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department is doing their job and doing it in the way they've probably always wanted to do it. Except now they are acting with the approval of the National Police Agency from the top down. When the curtain is pulled away, it will be revealed that the Yamaguchi-gumi was running most of the bookie operations, that they made the baseball betting possible and that the Yamaguchi-gumi and Sumo Association ties have been strong for several years. (Some of the bookie operations were run by different crime groups in different regions.) In the end, the NPA will achieve another victory in its war on the Yamaguchi-gumi Kodokai. Their biggest victory will be in terms of public relations. By showing that the yakuza have corrupted Japan's national sport, they turn public opinion against the yakuza and create an atmosphere where stronger anti-organized crime laws are likely to be supported. Ironically, the exposure of sumo wrestlers involved in high-stakes gambling operations run by the yakuza and Sumo Association executives giving special perks and favors to yakuza–these very issues also came to light because some Sumo Association members tried to use the yakuza to solve internal conflicts within the organization. http://www.japansubculture.com/2010/07/wei...e-sumo-scandal/ This post has been edited by Umigame: Jul 12, 2010, 03:34 |
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Jul 10, 2010, 07:27
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
I love a good conspiracy theory, but honestly I can't find any holes in this one and it explains a lot of things that were until now unexplained. So I'm taking it as truth until someone pokes some holes in it.
When the scandal first broke, I noted with glee that there are NO foreign rikishi involved, and that Asashoryu must be enjoying it. Well it seems that this was no coincidence. This post has been edited by Umigame: Jul 12, 2010, 03:27 |
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Jul 10, 2010, 14:06
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![]() Death Letter Blues ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 1 286 Joined: Nov 15, 2004 From: Death Letter, TX Member No.: 485 |
Thanks for this article. I don't know if this is true or not but if it is true then wow....
-------------------- I got a letter this morning. What do you reckon it read? It said the gal you love is dead. I got a letter this morning. What do you reckon it read? Said "Hurry, Hurry because the gal you love is dead". Well I packed up my suitcase, I took off down the road. When I got there she was layin' on the cooling board.
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Jul 10, 2010, 14:10
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![]() Curmudgeonus Ultimatus ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 375 Joined: Jul 26, 2006 From: Fairfield, Ca, USA Member No.: 1 096 |
Extremely interesting story and as you say it makes much of what happened to Asa much more understandable. I am unsure however why you left out the following paragraph from the story you copied. It goes in front of the second to last paragraph:
QUOTE The "sumo wrestlers betting on baseball" story was leaked to Shukan Shincho by the police. Just as in October of 2008, the police leaked to the same magazine the story of how Japanese gang boss Goto had a lavish birthday party attended by celebrities, including famous Enka singers. The mass media then picked up the story, the Shukan Shincho article turned out to be correct, and NHK banned the attending singers (Kobayashi Akira etc) from appearing on television. Just as NHK is now not broadcasting the Sumo tournament. In Goto's case, the scandal resulted in his fall from power. In the case of the Kodokai, top level executives will be forced to resign or be arrested for their part in the baseball betting operations. In fact, the arrest of yakuza crime boss, Mori Kenji, (Yamaguchi-gumi Tsukasa Kogyo), on gambling charges, several weeks ago may be part of the current investigation as well. In his hotel suite, where he held a traditional gambling session, sumo wrestlers, celebrities, and some corporate executives were also alleged to be in attendance. One part of t he Sumo-yakuza-gambling scandal that may never come to light is that not only were sumo wrestlers were participating in the gambling but so were some executives from the Japanese companies sponsoring the sumo tournaments. For those reasons, the investigation is likely to be cut off at a predetermined point before it becomes an international embarrassment. Established connections between gambling, yakuza, sumo and major Japanese corporations wouldn't reflect well on the business image of Japan. There is already a proposal to "pin the crime" on low-level yakuza boss who died of natural causes last year, designating him the "puppet master" who ran the show. Dead men make the perfect fall guys and don't say things they shouldn't. This makes the NHK's decision to not broadcast the Nagoya basho again much more understandable. The allegation that some of the executives of the sponsoring companies were also involved in the gambling might help explain the rush of many sponsors to distance themselves from this mess as well. They may be hoping that their involvement will not be publicized. -------------------- Chisaiyama
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Jul 10, 2010, 14:27
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![]() Onogawa 北/豊 J11e 8-7 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 11 108 Joined: May 13, 2003 Member No.: 128 |
Oh, hey, isn't Kenji Mori the guy whose birthday party Asashoryu supposedly attended?
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Jul 10, 2010, 14:33
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Maegashira ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 565 Joined: Sep 3, 2007 Member No.: 1 705 |
This makes the NHK's decision to not broadcast the Nagoya basho again much more understandable. The allegation that some of the executives of the sponsoring companies were also involved in the gambling might help explain the rush of many sponsors to distance themselves from this mess as well. They may be hoping that their involvement will not be publicized.[/i] And let us not forget that in Japan we currently have yet another flagrant example of past police/prosecutors' malfeasance; two men accused of murder and robbery and convicted over 40 years ago have finally got their case retried; as in an increasing number of other recently reviewed cases, it is quite clear that their interrogators lied to them as well as otherwise pressuring them into false confessions (which at the time were essential to get a conviction). At this time it would do the police a whole lot of good to be seen to be actuallly on the case of some real bad guys. Orion |
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Jul 10, 2010, 14:54
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
I am unsure however why you left out the following paragraph from the story you copied. The point about NHK canceling singers with yakuza connections has already been made on this forum. But I agree with your point about why the sponsor companies involved in the gambling would want to distance themselves from it as much as possible. |
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Jul 10, 2010, 15:09
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![]() The Unbelievable Scorner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 14 430 Joined: Nov 11, 2001 Member No.: 4 |
Put me down with the silent "conspiracy theories always come out AFTER the facts are disclosed and are quite easy to 'stitch'". I don't believe a word. I wish it were true, but it's , as are all conspiracy theories, conjecture and rumormongering plus a dab of fact, regardless of who is telling us about it and how "knowledgable' he is about the underworld. If he knew all this, why come out with it now and not two weeks ago?
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Jul 10, 2010, 17:39
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
Put me down with the silent "conspiracy theories always come out AFTER the facts are disclosed and are quite easy to 'stitch'". I don't believe a word. I wish it were true, but it's , as are all conspiracy theories, conjecture and rumormongering plus a dab of fact, regardless of who is telling us about it and how "knowledgable' he is about the underworld. If he knew all this, why come out with it now and not two weeks ago? He never claimed to have known about this in advance. The scandal blows up and it's related to his beat, so he does his research, interviews his police sources and yakuza sources, fits all the pieces together and publishes it on his blog. I see nothing fishy about that. Oh, hey, isn't Kenji Mori the guy whose birthday party Asashoryu supposedly attended? Now this seems more like a possible hole in the theory to me. Yes, this Kenji Mori is the Yamaguchi-gumi guy whose birthday party Asashoryu attended, according to Shukan Bunshun. But if they framed Asa, why would Asa be socializing with them? Edit: Unless the birthday party took place _before_ the frame up... This post has been edited by Umigame: Jul 10, 2010, 17:50 |
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Jul 10, 2010, 18:49
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![]() Toshiyori Equivalent ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 4 281 Joined: Sep 6, 2004 From: 43"51' N 79"24' W Member No.: 414 |
Actually there is a hole in the story.
Fact 1: The "victim" was not a total stranger to Asashoryu. He has been acknowledged by Asashoryu, his manager and others as Asashoryu's close acquaintance (some reported as his friend or even a business partner). Fact 2: Asashoryu or his manager wanted to hide the incident or even the identity of this man from the media and others by claiming the manager was the one who hit or beat him. It all occurred in Asahoryu's car. Knowing his personality, if the man kept bothered him that much, before even hitting the man, Asashoryu would have kicked him out of the car but it was the man who "escaped" from the car and run over to the Police. Fact 3: It has been already established that the man was not a member of Yamaguchi group but what they commonly known as "Chinese Mafia" though the man himself is a Korean Japanese. The man is well known to the police. If he was a member of the Yamaguchi, that is the last thing he would have done as he would be investigated but he has volunteered to talk to the police or even threatened to sue. The last thing any member of Yamaguchi would do is to talk to the police or go public. Fact 4: It is also established that baseball gambling has been rampant in Ozumo for at least the last several years and if Asashoryu "has talked" to the police complain and then this is the last thing Yamaguchi group wanted to do if they are the group behind baseball gambling. If huge baseball gambling is going on in the corporate world, entertainment industry as well as in sports, there are tons of money flowing into Yamaguchi, now if they want to keep this revenue intact, they will do everything in their power to have this kept from publicity. They certainly not to getting themselves in caught up in squabbles within Ozumo as the money from relatively small number of Ozumo rikishi is a pittance compared to what they can get from corporate and show business worlds. -------------------- < Heart Technique Physique > More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours that keep us so tightly bound You come to my eyes like a vision from the skies |
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Jul 10, 2010, 19:16
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 112 Joined: Feb 11, 2008 Member No.: 1 806 |
Mr. Adelstein is as knowledgeable and measured a source as we're going to get. He was a serious crime reporter in Japan for a good number of years and Tokyo Vice has been very well received.
Never mind this, please don't cover your ears, don't be blind, some stuff is just undeniable. There are threads, there are links, there are leaks, and leaks do not happen unintended. This story blew up in 2010 for a reason, do you think there wasn't gambling within the sumo world in the 90s? The 80s and 70s? Ha. I love sumo but I know there's a lot of goings on behind the curtain. |
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Jul 10, 2010, 19:41
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![]() Toshiyori Equivalent ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 4 281 Joined: Sep 6, 2004 From: 43"51' N 79"24' W Member No.: 414 |
Hey, I merely am pointing out discrepancies. I don't know his story as a whole is based on facts or conjectures based on related incidents but linking this latest baseball gambling to Asashoryu getting kicked out of Ozumo is a stretch.
For instance, I already mentioned what he wrote (the first part) but I'd like to know which bosses are ex-rikishi: “Failed sumo wrestlers often end up as yakuza enforcers. The sumo world and the yakuza world have long been intertwined. Some ex-sumo wrestlers have even become yakuza bosses.” Anyone connected to Yamaguchi-gumi will not talk to the police, the number three man to the current boss of Yamaguchi who is in the Fuchu prison and who is the target of all those guys in Nagoya Sunakaburi seats, Kenjo Mori was arrested last week and so far he has not said anything and keeping his silence. If you read my past posts, I already mentioned Ozumo and Yakuza have years and years of relationships. That is already known. Aside from those already released to the public, there are more rikishi who have been doing baseball gambling as well as involved in illegal gambling. So Hakuho has done a bit of Hanafuda gambling, but it's an open secret that Musashigawa has been known to bet even millions yen for mahjong and hanafuda. It's also known that Asashoryu often did Hanafuda with his tsukebito. What stuff is undeniable? Connections between Yakuza or Yamaguchi gumi to Ozumo. That's already known as why have those guys been hanging around in Nagoya for all those basho? Whenever there was a local jungyo years ago, a prominent local "business" man was the promoter. And more often than not, he was the man you could not have said "No!" to. My point is not about Yakuza and Ozumo connection which has always existed but having all linked to Yakuza activities. So what this Kenji Mori showed up at Asashoryu's 29th Birthday party at a posh Daikanyama restaurant? Does that mean Asashoryu is a member of Yamaguchi gumi? This post has been edited by Jonosuke: Jul 10, 2010, 19:55 -------------------- < Heart Technique Physique > More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours that keep us so tightly bound You come to my eyes like a vision from the skies |
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Jul 10, 2010, 21:58
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![]() The Unbelievable Scorner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 14 430 Joined: Nov 11, 2001 Member No.: 4 |
Put me down with the silent "conspiracy theories always come out AFTER the facts are disclosed and are quite easy to 'stitch'". I don't believe a word. I wish it were true, but it's , as are all conspiracy theories, conjecture and rumormongering plus a dab of fact, regardless of who is telling us about it and how "knowledgable' he is about the underworld. If he knew all this, why come out with it now and not two weeks ago? He never claimed to have known about this in advance. The scandal blows up and it's related to his beat, so he does his research, interviews his police sources and yakuza sources, fits all the pieces together and publishes it on his blog. I see nothing fishy about that. Proof and names. Places and dates. Come on.. Give me ten minutes and I'll give you a better theory. -------------------- Focus on the dohyo. Don't become a celebrity.
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Jul 10, 2010, 23:17
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Maegashira ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 565 Joined: Sep 3, 2007 Member No.: 1 705 |
[ megasnip] My point is not about Yakuza and Ozumo connection which has always existed but having all linked to Yakuza activities. So what this Kenji Mori showed up at Asashoryu's 29th Birthday party at a posh Daikanyama restaurant? Does that mean Asashoryu is a member of Yamaguchi gumi? And let us not forget the prominent yakuza who, it turned out shortly after the event, attended Chiyonofuji's wedding reception. Of course the teflon yokozuna could not be associated with this, so his boss (then Kokonoe is now better known as Kitanofuji) had his salary docked for some months. Orion |
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Jul 11, 2010, 03:12
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
Proof and names. Places and dates. Come on.. Give me ten minutes and I'll give you a better theory. Of course you can write your own conspiracy theory. The point is that nobody would have any reason to believe it, because you're not a professional journalist and you don't have sources within the Japanese police and the Japanese mob. There are sometimes legit reasons for keeping information sources confidential. Woodward and Bernstein never gave away the identity of Deep Throat, but that doesn't mean Watergate was a lie. Wikipedia has a decent summary of journalism sourcing if you wish to get acquainted with the fundamentals. Jonosuke, on the other hand, has pointed out several discrepancies that make the Asashoryu part of the story seem very dubious. Come on.. Give me ten minutes and I'll give you a better theory. Now this I doubt. True or not, this is a damn good story. |
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Jul 11, 2010, 03:32
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![]() Toshiyori Equivalent ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 4 281 Joined: Sep 6, 2004 From: 43"51' N 79"24' W Member No.: 414 |
And let us not forget the prominent yakuza who, it turned out shortly after the event, attended Chiyonofuji's wedding reception. Of course the teflon yokozuna could not be associated with this, so his boss (then Kokonoe is now better known as Kitanofuji) had his salary docked for some months. I believe the man who was invited to Chiyonofuji's wedding reception was a good acquaintance of his shisho at the time, Kitanofuji, so it was right that he got his salary cut. Actually the story was that both Kitanofuji and his shisho former Yokozuna Chiyonoyama were both connected not only to a yakuza group but they were reportedly actual members. In fact Kitanofuji was said to have carried the casket of the second Yamgaguchi-gumi boss Kazuo Taoka. Ostensibly both Kitanofuji and Chiyonoyama did not get to have a good post-active job at the Kyokai and one of the reasons both were kicked out of Dewanoumi Ichimon were their connection with the mob. Subsequently Chiyonoyama never got to become a riji and Kitanofuji was more or less kicked out of the Kyokai. Chiyonofuji was known to have dined with yakuza members during his active days and I recall a weekly magazine once took a photo of him eating with a prominent yakuza member in Fukuoka. It's no wonder Chiyotaikai, former motorcycle gang head in Kyushu wanted to follow his footsteps and joined his heya. -------------------- < Heart Technique Physique > More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours that keep us so tightly bound You come to my eyes like a vision from the skies |
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Jul 11, 2010, 04:10
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![]() Toshiyori Equivalent ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 4 281 Joined: Sep 6, 2004 From: 43"51' N 79"24' W Member No.: 414 |
I might correct what I wrote about Kazuo Taoka. He was Yamaguchi-gumi's third boss (the current boss Shinobu Tsukasa is the sixth).
While working for Noboru Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi-gumi's second boss (the eldest son of Harukichi Yamaguchi, the founder), Taoka became instantly well known after almost killing then Tomozuna Beya's Maegashira Takaragawa. Takaragawa and the 32nd Yokozuna Tamanishiki came from the same place in Kochi Prefecture. During Osaka junyo in 1932, Takaragawa saw Tamanishiki refusing to accept a gift from Kochi supporter and got so upset and started fighting. What Takaragawa did not know was Tamanishiki was a Sha-tei of Noboru Yamaguchi (in the current Yamaguchi-gumi, after the boss, there are only seven sha-tei with the membership totaling somewhere around 35,000. Incidentally one of the seven is Kenji Mori, invited to Asashoryu's birthday party). Taoka hearing what Takaragawa said to Tamanishiki, went berserk and started going after him with a sword. Initially Tamanishiki thought Taoka was just trying to scare Takaragawa but realized how serious Taoka was and tried to stop him from harming Takaragawa. Takaragawa ended up getting a deep gush in his head and lost two fingers but thanks to Tamanishiki, his life was spared. This post has been edited by Jonosuke: Jul 11, 2010, 04:15 -------------------- < Heart Technique Physique > More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours that keep us so tightly bound You come to my eyes like a vision from the skies |
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Jul 11, 2010, 06:36
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![]() The Unbelievable Scorner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 14 430 Joined: Nov 11, 2001 Member No.: 4 |
Of course you can write your own conspiracy theory. The point is that nobody would have any reason to believe it, because you're not a professional journalist and you don't have sources within the Japanese police and the Japanese mob. This guy is so good and his theory so deeply rooted in the truth that not one single other source (Japanese) has picked it up. This is a time when even something remotely true would surely be lapped up by the local yellows. But nothing. Skeptical. Again, I hope this is true, but beware of journalists bearing rumors at a convenient time.. This post has been edited by Kintamayama: Jul 11, 2010, 06:36 -------------------- Focus on the dohyo. Don't become a celebrity.
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Jul 11, 2010, 06:38
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![]() The Unbelievable Scorner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 14 430 Joined: Nov 11, 2001 Member No.: 4 |
I might correct what I wrote about Kazuo Taoka. He was Yamaguchi-gumi's third boss (the current boss Shinobu Tsukasa is the sixth). While working for Noboru Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi-gumi's second boss (the eldest son of Harukichi Yamaguchi, the founder), Taoka became instantly well known after almost killing then Tomozuna Beya's Maegashira Takaragawa. Takaragawa and the 32nd Yokozuna Tamanishiki came from the same place in Kochi Prefecture. During Osaka junyo in 1932, Takaragawa saw Tamanishiki refusing to accept a gift from Kochi supporter and got so upset and started fighting. What Takaragawa did not know was Tamanishiki was a Sha-tei of Noboru Yamaguchi (in the current Yamaguchi-gumi, after the boss, there are only seven sha-tei with the membership totaling somewhere around 35,000. Incidentally one of the seven is Kenji Mori, invited to Asashoryu's birthday party). Taoka hearing what Takaragawa said to Tamanishiki, went berserk and started going after him with a sword. Initially Tamanishiki thought Taoka was just trying to scare Takaragawa but realized how serious Taoka was and tried to stop him from harming Takaragawa. Takaragawa ended up getting a deep gush in his head and lost two fingers but thanks to Tamanishiki, his life was spared. Geez-your stories are the best, sir. -------------------- Focus on the dohyo. Don't become a celebrity.
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Jul 11, 2010, 06:57
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![]() montani semper liberi ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 2 750 Joined: Apr 19, 2004 From: 琉球國 Member No.: 334 |
And let us not forget the prominent yakuza who, it turned out shortly after the event, attended Chiyonofuji's wedding reception. Of course the teflon yokozuna could not be associated with this, so his boss (then Kokonoe is now better known as Kitanofuji) had his salary docked for some months. I believe the man who was invited to Chiyonofuji's wedding reception was a good acquaintance of his shisho at the time, Kitanofuji, so it was right that he got his salary cut. Actually the story was that both Kitanofuji and his shisho former Yokozuna Chiyonoyama were both connected not only to a yakuza group but they were reportedly actual members. In fact Kitanofuji was said to have carried the casket of the second Yamgaguchi-gumi boss Kazuo Taoka. Ostensibly both Kitanofuji and Chiyonoyama did not get to have a good post-active job at the Kyokai and one of the reasons both were kicked out of Dewanoumi Ichimon were their connection with the mob. Subsequently Chiyonoyama never got to become a riji and Kitanofuji was more or less kicked out of the Kyokai. Chiyonofuji was known to have dined with yakuza members during his active days and I recall a weekly magazine once took a photo of him eating with a prominent yakuza member in Fukuoka. It's no wonder Chiyotaikai, former motorcycle gang head in Kyushu wanted to follow his footsteps and joined his heya. You're telling us that the NHK point-man for sumo broadcasting for some time is mob-connected, or a mobster? That makes their reaction to the scandal somewhat...interesting. |
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Jul 11, 2010, 10:26
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![]() 琴美輝 (new shikona by Sadogatake Gyoji) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 1 302 Joined: Mar 15, 2008 From: Saitama, Japan Member No.: 1 819 |
I just say again.... it is everywhere....... past & present.. I'm not surprised about any of it!
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Jul 11, 2010, 10:47
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Maegashira ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 565 Joined: Sep 3, 2007 Member No.: 1 705 |
Mr. Adelstein is as knowledgeable and measured a source as we're going to get. He was a serious crime reporter in Japan for a good number of years and Tokyo Vice has been very well received. Why is it that I am hearing Mr. Adelstein's name for the first time? which paper/media outlet was he working for? I have known two other journalists who claimed to have an inside on the yakuza. I freely admit that this is out of my line, but I am not totally out of the loop. (Remember, just a few posts above, I blew the gaff on the yakuza at Chiyo's wedding -- thanx for all the details, Jonosuke -- I'm a Big Picture person) Orion |
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Jul 11, 2010, 12:11
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![]() Makushita ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Members Posts: 134 Joined: Nov 24, 2007 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1 767 |
beware of journalists bearing rumors at a convenient time.. Yes! With this statement we are in agreement 100%! Which brings us back to the beginning of the story: we should beware of the journalists at Shukan Shincho and ask why they broke the story at a convenient time. If the gambling and the mob connections in sumo were so widely known, why write about it now? This is what Adelstein's story provides an answer for: it was leaked by the police as part of their current war on one of the mob groups. I haven't seen this key question addressed anywhere else, and I haven't heard a better/more believable answer yet. Strange innit? |
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Jul 11, 2010, 12:34
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![]() The Unbelievable Scorner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 14 430 Joined: Nov 11, 2001 Member No.: 4 |
I haven't seen this key question addressed anywhere else, and I haven't heard a better/more believable answer yet. Strange innit? Because, as in most things in life-stuff happens, and it just happened-Kotomitsuki (or Ootake,whoever you choose to believe) was blackmailed. If he hadn't been blackmailed, this whole thing would have never happened, since gambling sumotori are not news and the weekly wouldn't have gone with the story. But blackmail? An Ozeki? Juicy. In the initial report, was the underworld even mentioned? In any case, not as sexy as the underworld web of deceit, just bland, boring truth. I think.. This post has been edited by Kintamayama: Jul 11, 2010, 12:35 -------------------- Focus on the dohyo. Don't become a celebrity.
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Jul 11, 2010, 12:44
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![]() Sekiwake ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Active Members Posts: 1 155 Joined: Sep 23, 2004 From: Indiana, USA Member No.: 448 |
Mr. Adelstein is as knowledgeable and measured a source as we're going to get. He was a serious crime reporter in Japan for a good number of years and Tokyo Vice has been very well received. Why is it that I am hearing Mr. Adelstein's name for the first time? which paper/media outlet was he working for? I have known two other journalists who claimed to have an inside on the yakuza. I freely admit that this is out of my line, but I am not totally out of the loop. (Remember, just a few posts above, I blew the gaff on the yakuza at Chiyo's wedding -- thanx for all the details, Jonosuke -- I'm a Big Picture person) Google has turned up several things about Mr. Adelstein. I was most interested in an article he wrote in 2008 for the Washington Post, in which he talks about his background as a crime reporter for Yomiuri Shimbun (1993-2005), the many businesses the yakuza are involved with inside (and outside) of Japan, his relationship with the police and why they don't (or can't) do anything about organized crime, and how in 2001 the FBI arranged for Tadamasa Goto (the "John Gotti of Japan" according to some US federal agents) to get a liver transplant in the US. It's titled The Mob Is Big In Japan -------------------- ![]() Fukurou "Believe me, if I have to go the rest of my life without companionship, knowing myself won't be a problem." -- Gabrielle of Potadeia |
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