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#26 Otokonoyama

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 11:01

Let's see...dope smoking leads to the munchies, which leads to excessive snacking, which leads to weight gain. :-O

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 06:06

"This looks like a conspiracy aimed against their shishos Kitanoumi and Taihou. I have no proof, but that's how it looks!", declared the brothers' lawyer during the first oral proceedings of their case against the kyokai. They are seeking 100 million yen in damages. "Another Russian, Wakanohou, had just been arrested and the brothers were being treated with bias!", he added. Rohou said that Wakakirin had disappeared sometime during his test (after being found positive twice) and it is doubtful that his third testing was on the level. "It looked as if the foreigners were being targeted", continued Ben Goshi the lawyer, who is currently working on another high profile yet secret case involving a reporter-blogger and CNN..
"Truth be told, all we wanted was for all rikishi to test negative.. That's total nonsense!", explained Isenoumi Oyakata.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 23:02

The brothers' demands have been rejected today by the Tokyo District Court. "We shall appeal! immediately", squealed the lawyer. "They were found to be positive after being tested, and there was nothing illegal about the process that resulted in their ousting from Sumo", said the judge. "Using drugs directly undermines the Kyokai's credit,", he added.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 19:39

The brothers' demands have been rejected today by the Tokyo District Court. "We shall appeal! immediately", squealed the lawyer. "They were found to be positive after being tested, and there was nothing illegal about the process that resulted in their ousting from Sumo", said the judge. "Using drugs directly undermines the Kyokai's credit,", he added.


Yeah, beating someone to death of course is ok.

What a bunch of idiots. I am glad that I am outta there.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 15:13

Yeah, beating someone to death of course is ok.

What a bunch of idiots. I am glad that I am outta there.


*checks banzuke* Yup, all those involved are still exiled from Ozumo. (Neener, neener...)

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 20:48

The brothers have appealed on March 30th. "I think we'll be in court in the last part of April at the latest", attested their attorney. "This whole procedure is taking a long time and they are slowly running out of money. They are very irritated!", he added. In the meantime, they are said to be keeping in shape by training.

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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:47

The brothers' demands have been rejected today by the Tokyo District Court. "We shall appeal! immediately", squealed the lawyer. "They were found to be positive after being tested, and there was nothing illegal about the process that resulted in their ousting from Sumo", said the judge. "Using drugs directly undermines the Kyokai's credit,", he added.


Yeah, beating someone to death of course is ok.

What a bunch of idiots. I am glad that I am outta there.

Love,
Eric


Err, point 1; the Russian brothers were not involved in any way, shape, or form, in beating Tokitaizan to death.They were just found to have tested way above coincidental limits for marijuana use.

Point 2: "Eric Blair" is the hallowed name used by Mark Buckton when he wants to attack someone in the Sumo Fan Magazine. Are you an imposter, sir?

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#33 Kintamayama

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 10:30

The Brothers Two will be appearing in court on June 29th in their attempt to be reinstated in the Sumo world. "They have received numerous offers to join various martial arts organizations, but their mind is set on returning to the Kakkai. They will attempt to prove that the tests were not done correctly", said their attorney.
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 11:02

but their mind is set on returning to the Kakkai


Football joke or something? (Sign of approval...)

Edited: 1. Kakkai
2. Gakkai - Worldwide Buddhist network which promotes peace, culture and education through personal transformation and social contribution.

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#35 Kintamayama

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 12:32

but their mind is set on returning to the Kakkai


Football joke or something? (Sign of approval...)

Edited: 1. Kakkai
2. Gakkai - Worldwide Buddhist network which promotes peace, culture and education through personal transformation and social contribution.

Kakkai-Sumo World
Kokkai- Sumo Person
Kekka- Result
Kukka Kukka- Chicken, according to Arrested Development.
Bubka- Jumpimg Jack Flash
Mocca- not chocolate or coffee
Macca- Beatle

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 12:36

To be fool is fool http://www.sumoforum...glossary.html#K, kaki is also a good word (Sign of approval...)

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 16:33

kaki is also a good word (Sign of approval...)

This is a kaki:
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 18:02

I say let the brothers back in. Have them start at the bottom of Jonokuchi and work their way up again (including all the duties that go with being a shin-deshi.) That should take a couple years...

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 21:39

I say let the brothers back in. Have them start at the bottom of Jonokuchi and work their way up again (including all the duties that go with being a shin-deshi.) That should take a couple years...



If they have indeed been keeping in shape and training, they have the dohyo experience so I would think only about a year to get back to sekitori status. One basho each in Jonokuchi, Jonidan and Sandanme and then about 2-3 to work their way through Makushita and voila back in Juryo. Hakurozan would probably not get much further than that but Roho was a solid Makuuchi rikishi and would easily get back to that level in 7 basho tops. All that dependent of course on if they have truly been keeping in shape as Kinta has reported. IMHO of course!

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 16:17

The Brothers were back in court today, basically saying they never did drugs and that they were wrongly dismissed from Sumo.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 11:19

The brothers testified today for more than two and a half hours. They tried to establish that the whole drug test method was shoddy and not serious. "We didn't even spill the urine from the bottle to the cup ourselves..There weren't enough bottles for the two tests. I spoke to a Russian WADA specialist who said he never heard of such a method and it all seemed like a frame-up to him", said Rohou. "We were told to strip naked and give the test", added ex-Hakurozan. Hearing that doping committee chairman Onishi was ill, Rohou said: "I hope he's not trying to run away from giving testimony.. I also hope the Oyakatas will come out and admit to the truth. They said we admitted using drugs in LA? That's a lie!".
As for their situation in Japan, they are staying on a short term visa as long as the trial continues. They have also denied they will be joining other martial arts groups, although they have acknowledged being approached by some.


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Posted 01 July 2009 - 00:44

Is it me or does Roho look like he has lost a lot of weight? I realise that the kimono makes it difficult to tell, but he looks quite svelte (for a big guy).

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 01:08

I think he definitely looks thinner.

I never liked Roho as a wrestler - thought he had a terrible attitude, took fugly macho posing to new heights and resorted to crappy sumo way more than was necessary considering his physical advantages.

But.... here he is, serious about clearing his name. I don't think it will succeed (since when did formal litigation ever work in Japan?) but I admire him and Hakurozan for trying. They deserve their day in court and I respect them all the more because it is obvious they will be subjected to a concerted and vicious whispering campaign by the kyokai.

The kyokai fooked this one up. Even if the bros. did smoke dope in LA, the whole testing setup was a sham and they should be allowed back in for that alone.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 01:58

I think he definitely looks thinner.

I never liked Roho as a wrestler - thought he had a terrible attitude, took fugly macho posing to new heights and resorted to crappy sumo way more than was necessary considering his physical advantages.

But.... here he is, serious about clearing his name. I don't think it will succeed (since when did formal litigation ever work in Japan?) but I admire him and Hakurozan for trying. They deserve their day in court and I respect them all the more because it is obvious they will be subjected to a concerted and vicious whispering campaign by the kyokai.

The kyokai fooked this one up. Even if the bros. did smoke dope in LA, the whole testing setup was a sham and they should be allowed back in for that alone.



Couldn't agree more. Even though their manners on and off the dohyo lacked deeply in good sense and sportsmanship, they are both making a due effort to set things straight and start afresh. Regrettably, it is more than unlikely they will fail.

Next time the NSK decide to call on rikishi for a doping test, they better invite outsiders to follow it up closely and prepare everything accordingly so as not ruin everything so negligently and carelessly as they did.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 05:30

I give them credit, too. They could have jumped to much more lucrative ponds and gone on to a good degree of success, especially in some pro shows where their notoriety could easily be more of a cash grab than their abilities.

However, they've stuck to sumo, and frankly, I think they've been "punished" enough. If they want back in that badly, I say go for it. And I'd start them off in Juryo. The Kyokai screwed this one up, and a show of benevolence is in order.

They will, I think, never succeed as handsome male models. The Paris runways and the glamour shops of Rome might not have their faces on the walls anytime soon.
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Posted 01 July 2009 - 05:56

When they want you out, you're out. Whether the story is you smacked the okamisan around, tested positive for wacky tobaccy, or used your kabu as collateral with gangsters, goner is the word.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:05

Is it me or does Roho look like he has lost a lot of weight? I realise that the kimono makes it difficult to tell, but he looks quite svelte (for a big guy).


I thought the same thing. Just look at his face.
He looks more slim than Kotooshu.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:34

I too respect them for not giving up.
They were never caught red handed with the goods & the testing was screwed up.
They have not had it easy to keep fighting & without a salary now it isn't cheap to stay here. (maybe that is why Roho is losing weight) But they are intent to clear their names and I respect that. I believe if they were truly guilty they'd have given up by now.

Not saying they may or may not have done something in the past but after the Wakanoho thing I think most people who may have been doing anything illegal probably stopped it. Who knows about Wakakirin..

I have to say that I never liked Roho at first, I thought he was violent & his temper scared me from what I read in the papers with the stuff he did... but being best friends with Kihakuriki who was his tsukebito I found out that as a person he was really gentle! I couldn't believe it. He was so nice! (and Kihakuriki told me he treated him as a tsukebito very well & he got a good portion of all the kensho money Roho won as a bonus... I know some tsukebito who aren't getting treated nearly so well!) And during jungyo I was with him while he was attacked with rude children pushing and trying to get autographs and he never once looked agitated... whereas I yelled at the kids for not getting in line waiting their turns & not saying thank you! As an elementary school teacher I couldn't hold back (had done the same thing earlier with Baruto's attack of kids..) Roho was so nice to them and even started reaching up to the 2nd floor to the kids to grab autograph books. Other people like Homasho ignored the kids.. so go figure...

I spent some time with Hakurozan & Roho getting to know them personally. I never thought they'd do drugs but again I didn't ask them... so I can't say 100% of course.
Hakurozan was a cigarette smoker but Roho wasn't. They both truly loved Sumo though.
Hakurozan showed me his collection of letters and cards from children who drew him pictures and things. You know that meant a lot to me that he kept that. You know he could have thrown that out, his room at the heya was very small. A man without wife & kids may or may not be the type to keep children's drawings.

Whatever they did in sumo may not have been the best but as people they were both very nice & if they want to stick out their intent to clear their names I wish they could succeed but we all know... it is probably a dead end.

They have suffered and paid a price let them back in even in Makushita and let them work their way back up.

Just my two yen worth!

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 22:10

Cross examination of witnesses will be held on August 31st, says the brothers' lawyer. Isenoumi, who was in charge of the tests from the Kyokai side, will be there to testify. Other witnesses-Tomozuna Oyakata and Ootake Oyakata, Rohou's Oyakata.

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 12:12

Ootake Oyakata took the stand today as a witness. "After Rohou was tested positive after the first test , Isenoumi Oyakata asked me to convince him to take the more serious test, promising me that the Kyokai will not dismiss him. When the Kyokai called in the police anyway, I thought- 'that's not what we agreed upon - I was definitely screwed!!'. I feel really bad about Rohou and Hakurozan", he said. "Yes, I said that to Ootake, but only after Rohou and Hakurozan insisted on taking the second test, which led me to believe they were innocent..", answered Isenoumi Oyakata. "We discussed this with the police before the inspections began and agreed that if anyone tested positive, we would notify the police..", added Tomozuna Oyakata.
Are we seeing first signs of a crack in the Kyokai wall in this matter?

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